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Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on February 23, 1999 at 11:03:36:

In Reply to: fabulous! posted by Gee on February 22, 1999 at 15:52:24:

: Indeed, and then whatever these companies produce is more expensive than it would have been (in no tax land) .

Actually, no-
1:The commodity is sold at, or around, its value.
2:The capitalists make their profit through the difference between the value paid to the worker for their commodified labour power, and the value of the work done.
3:The state comes and take a share of that profit.

Wages do not effect the value of the good, if wages go up, the price of goods does not go up. If taxes disappeared the employers would keep all that profit for themselves...

: But be in a better bargaining position for greater contractual agreements with the wealthier companies (and your higher income would generate more demand and more employment, and more opportunities to compete yourself and become self employed)


Ii doubt that, without regulation fixed capital costs, such as safety and environmental safe-guards, would go out the window.

: Politicians wouldnt want to lose their sacrifical cows would they?

They do as they're told...

: the workforce belongs to state? not to themselves?

Without the permission of the state employers cannot exploite a workorce, its one of the functions of the nation state- Britain has a monopoly on British workers....

: Your assuming that all businesses want heavily autocratic superstates? Why when you have stated that they could make savings without tax?

1:They need a state to settle disputes (legal disputes etc.)
2:They need a state to control the workforce and manage poverty.
3;they need a state to strike down rentiers and others (like unions) who would seek to reduce their profits.
4:They need a state to gaurantee their money.
5:they need a state as a military wing against foriegn capitalists.
6:They need a state to ensure that necessary social legislation falls on all employers, and some do not take advantage of low standards to get ahead in competition. This is so that the workforce remains compliant.

They hate it- but its necessary for them...




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