: I dont have to appeal to it. why is the result of millions of individual choices so gard to comprehend? I know its complex and riddled with 'veils of ignorance' but I would consider central planning even less capable of adaptation or efficient disposal of property.Yes but choice is the smoke screen under which a class struggle is carried out.
For instance the right to organise as producers EG unions is nothing if you dont have the right to organise as consumers EG price controls and planning because every victory in wages increase will be transfered as a cost to the consumer through price increases so no closing of the inequality gap takes place.
: My system? When have I favoured the statist-merchant marriage that is the cause of your 'capitalist' enemies (which on the whole are my 'statist' enemies!) in the IMF, in gross multi nationals, in the imperialist tribal mindets of national govts? What I have defended is private property (and , no, I havent closed my mind and said 'so there', but i havent been convinced of alternatives). What our disagreement appears to be is that you consider private property to be at the root of the above?
Right you believe that "private property" could be annexed from the present capitalist order, I think that's shit. I mean I could understand Adam Smith and co. in the pre-capitalist fuedal age thinking these things up but please you've seen the reality of the matter.
: Well I like your posts, youre not a vicious statist and your quite enlightening regarding historical influences. My problem with trying to cork the self interest motive (material profit not being the sole motive power) is that you get a nasty seepage in the form of criminalised inefficient black markets, brewing revolution and a host of power brokers either side working at the expence of the individual.
However you still see capitalism as the way to go, it isnt, for you to be wealthy, and benefit from everything that wealth brings, does someone have to live in poverty stricken misery?
Now I dont find that ethically or morally correct but I know appeals like that have absolutely no interest to you, well, logically the greatest threat to private property comes from such a system the have nots are going to criminally exact revenge upon the haves.
Statism is what saves your system from its abolition.
: I think we both agree that positive change can only occur via choice.
Yes but you vote republican and vote for whatever extremist left faction is there.
