: Isnt it just a bit mystical to appeal to an invisible (supernatural?) force to regulate and control everything to everyones benefit?I dont have to appeal to it. why is the result of millions of individual choices so gard to comprehend? I know its complex and riddled with 'veils of ignorance' but I would consider central planning even less capable of adaptation or efficient disposal of property.
: I know your going to say this is opinion, or so have I etc. but look at the world, without pointing to your opponents, try and excuse the horrendous mistakes your system has made!
My system? When have I favoured the statist-merchant marriage that is the cause of your 'capitalist' enemies (which on the whole are my 'statist' enemies!) in the IMF, in gross multi nationals, in the imperialist tribal mindets of national govts? What I have defended is private property (and , no, I havent closed my mind and said 'so there', but i havent been convinced of alternatives). What our disagreement appears to be is that you consider private property to be at the root of the above?
: I mean your pleseant enough and your horror at the atrocities of the state and nazism (left or right) seem genuine so your probubly a nice guy but you've got to admit that once the old predatory instinct genie (that's necessary for markets) is out of the bottle it's not going away and then you've got "Joelistic" profit motive justifies everything chaos.
Well I like your posts, youre not a vicious statist and your quite enlightening regarding historical influences. My problem with trying to cork the self interest motive (material profit not being the sole motive power) is that you get a nasty seepage in the form of criminalised inefficient black markets, brewing revolution and a host of power brokers either side working at the expence of the individual.
I think we both agree that positive change can only occur via choice.
