: If this is so, thsi means that effectively employers must pitch wages high, so that we can raise our labour value- i.e. they add tax onto our real wage. i.e. they are paying the tax for us, or rather, income tax is effectively an employee tax paid for buy employers.Indeed, and then whatever these companies produce is more expensive than it would have been (in no tax land) meaning that those poeple can buy less and those companies can employ less (this in turn becomes one of the two major drivers of inflation). Ofcourse the money doesnt disappear - it goes on various statist activities which people may or may not have a demand for, but in which they have precious little choice (ie occasional elections). The result is that people are deprived noth of choice and economic autonomy (creating wasteful economic ineffieciency) and companies are led to support their own executioners.
: The point is it's not high taxes that is making people poorer in this country, it's low wages.
and the fact that companies cannot generate as much wealth for workers to demand (in the manner you described), being 'bled' constantly to feed statism
: If tomorrow all taxes on wages were eliminated, employers would just cut gross pay down to net pay, and you'd take home the same amount that you were before.
But be in a better bargaining position for greater contractual agreements with the wealthier companies (and your higher income would generate more demand and more employment, and more opportunities to compete yourself and become self employed)
: It's the employers who would get the savings, which shows why the politicians are so concerned about "your" taxes.
Politicians wouldnt want to lose their sacrifical cows would they?
: All taxes, excluding duties on alcohol and tobbacco (which are effectively a state organised monopoly increasing the price of goods)
YES! State creates monopolies by making competition more and more difficult.
: are in fact paid for out of wages, an increase in taxation upon us, forces us to try and increase our wages, to restore them to value.
And the burden falls on the statists sacrificial herd (the companies)
: All this talk of states taking our taxes is rubbish, the state is effectively creaming a rent off the Capitalists, charging them for using its workforce
the workforce belongs to state? not to themselves?
, making them pay for their own state, attempts to make teh working class pay (like the poll tax) end in disaster. The capitalists pay for their own state, and it has nothing to do with us.
Your assuming that all businesses want heavily autocratic superstates? Why when you have stated that they could make savings without tax?
