: No. That's not what I'm saying.Right, I think this is getting to the stage where we're just aggitating each other and posting for the badness, if you really want to know my views read the posts between me and Floyd, away down the page, they are more or less everything I wish to say on the matter at this stage.
The argument took a turn for the 'it's natural debate' which doesnt interest me at all. I dont believe it's natural but I dont believe that it matters whether or not it is anyway.
What I was debating was that, in my opinion, homosexuals where being anti-social through centreing everything in their life around sex and people who are interested in sociability and a society where consideration for others isnt a laughing matter should join with me to persuade homosexuals their current behaviour was unhelpful to their cause and an annoyance to everyone else.
Now we did get side tracked because I had commited the sin of holding unpopular opinions and thinking differently and was therefore a homophobic gay basher, which isnt the case. Some other points include:
: So you've never felt attracted to men. No problem.
No never, I'm being honest as well not repressed or any old shit.
: Saying that no-one should feel attracted to other men, though, that's a big problem; especially given the medical evidence.
Right now I believe it is not natural to be attracted to someone of the same sex but if you choose to and they do as well then fine, dont ask me to support such behaviour just tolerate it and keep it out of my sight, I think it's a distinct lack of consideration for others that make you wish to make it an issue.
: I wasn't talking of real incidents, Lark; the question I was asking was; do the majority have the right to oppress the minority because the minority are perceived as 'abnormal'?
I have never advocated that aswell know.
: You're saying that there is a 'right' way to be. I'm not; my position is that the 'right' way to be is an entirely subjective concept; and depends upon your environment as much as anything else.
What you are saying is that the right way to be is bisexual and that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice, or social and media construct, so you are actually adovcating a number of right ways to be.
: : Because if they homosexual lobby is prepared to advocate their behaviour as natural, yet hetero-advocacy is phobic, intolerant, sexist etc. there must be a counter force putting the alternative position or view. This doesnt require violence etc.
: Lark, this is *exactly* what White Power and New Lad types say.
Well I'm trying to say that I dont accept the 'correct' or rather popular wisdom in these things, I dont think your association of me with people is a good thing, I dont want to stamp anything or anyone out after all, I just think there is a lacking of sound balance in this field of debate. However this is all of subject, I was talking about social/anti-social behaviour.
: No-one is suggesting that gay groups are out to turn people into raging queens and corrupt kiddies; if you're aware of gay leanings, they usually manifest themselves by the age of 15.
What if someone is wondering if they're gay? Are they instantly gay? I dont think so, the media, parentage, society, religion etc. all play a significant role in determining such things, as the homosexuals realise and heterosexuals seem not to.
: As you and I both know, blacks and women have both been oppressed for hundreds of years; and they still form a tiny minority of 'boss' roles in our society; yet there are large numbers of people saying "Hey! This has gone far enough!". People like Frenchy...
Thanks for associating me with Frenchy....
: The fact remains, blacks are still the largest single group in prisons; they are still more likely to be passed over for jobs, stopped by the cops and die violent deaths - 35 years after the Civil Rights movement. Women are still underpaid and unequally treated after 100 years of feminism. Prejudices like that take over a century to erase; the Gay Lib fight has only been going 30 years...
Yet the Sun asks are we being run by a gay mafia? It appears that some people who havent made their sexual orientation their entire life have done alright for themselves, not that the Sun is anything to go by.
: Until people can go for a job, a mortgage or a drink equally, whether black, white, male, female, gay or straight, the fight will not be over.
Alright with this again, do heterosexuals make the whole issue of going for a drink, socialising at all infact, even going out of their houses or getting up in the morning their sexual orientation? Christ some people should get a life.
: I'm white, English and middle-class; I'm not ashamed of this; but I don't think that anyone else is 'better' or 'worse' than I am.
Oh but are you proud to be either heterosexual or homosexual? It would appear it is a good thing to be gay and proud and a bad thing, or even a silly thing, to be heterosexual and proud.
: I'd say;
: "Wait until you're 22/23 - you can't really make a final decision about what you are until you've finished growing up both physically and mentally. It doesn't ultimately matter to me whether you're gay, bi or straight - that is for you, and you alone, to sort out."
I'd say that too.
: "Whatever you choose, you can count on my continued support as long as you are happy with yourself and don't exploit others."
I'd say you know my attitudes to this fuck off, I never want to see you again!! No, only joking, I'd say if you make this your entire life, every conversation you have with anyone, every TV show you want, every film you see, every Radio show you watch etc. your wasting you life and my time and I dont want anything what so ever to do with it.
: - I do not believe that any of the major sexual orientations are 'superior' to the others.
Neither do I just think heterosexuality is natural.
: Again, as a fellow anarchist, how would you defend imposing your moral code on everybody else?
That's simple, as I've always said, I would impose nothing but I would directly advocate an alternative position, make my opinion and opposition known and attempt to persuade people of my perspective.
For God sake Farinata I didn't say gays should be imprisoned and battoned with electronic shock devices I said society would benefit if we all complied with a common set of values and didnt try to stamp out differing opinions.
