: Well, yeah, Lark, this is what I was trying to say before. The people that you recognize as gay are the people who exhibit the stereotypical behaviors. You are recognizing them as gay as a result of their conformity to your preconceived stereotypes, rather than as a result of their sexual activity. Not all gays fit the stereotypes. When you say "all the gays I've seen...subscribe to every stereotype in the book," what you're really saying is "everyone who fits all the stereotypes fits all the stereotypes," since you are not recognizing any person who does not fit the stereotypes as being gay. See the problem? If you only know someone is gay because they fit the stereotype, then you will classify anyone who doesn't fit the stereotype as straight by default, regardless of what they do when they're at home, and it will appear to you that all gays fit the stereotypes. Once again, there's a recognition issue here that needs to be addressed.All I could say in response to that is that the normal ones must be alright. What I cant understand is how every lefty, regardless of whether they are a liberal or an anrchist, looks at a chavinistic or self-important sex obsessed heterosexual and tries to castigate them on patriarchy or whatever, yet the same type of behaviour is excusable among homosxuals. Isnt that a double standard?
Should we, on the same principle, not support the repression of palestinians by the Israeli government becasue the Jews have hard a raw deal for the most part of history?
: My mother's church has retreats for married couples. I'd say the US republican party is (with a few exceptions) pretty damned close to a het's only society. The southern Baptist convocation definitely is, and vocally so.
Ah yes but they organise on the basis that het behaviour is Christian, Conservative whatever, is there purely a het organisation anywhere?
: : No they are definitely oppressed but I would appreciate more social rules of engagement, I know that's not always possible but would you want an advocate of black power to adopt an all whites are evil approach?
: It was very effective for the Panthers and Malcolm X.
Cant say I supported either of them. I'm not so sure about the Black Panthers though didnt they have a white contingent called the white panthers?
: : I disagree there mate.
: OK, on what grounds? The primate data is unequivocal. I'll provide you with ample references if you're interested.
I'm not really interested, so you may be wasting your time, the whole it's natural, here are the stat's, it predates civilisation arguments dont wash with me, the human race used to be big on human sacrifice it doesnt mean it's natural does it? Anyway, that is a red herring, I mean no one hears sadists or mascohists arguing that their are bio-scientific-evolutionary prcedents for their behaviour do they?
: [snip] More later, must dash.
: -Floyd
