: Fair enough here, RD should stop landing these fundamentalist part positions around the place, it's almost religious, if you seem to have values contradictory to the all hallowed truth your in for an ear bashing. If RD wants to get into it there is quite a bit of German nationalism in the communist manifesto.Its called debate, I have an opinion, I will argue it- specifically since I think anti-nationalism is a fundamental socialist plank, I will argue against nationalism.
: Good Points NJ but RD is working to a bit of a fanatical agenda here, it's alright, he has the freedom to do it, if some people hadn't behaved in a manner he would attack he might not have that freedom.
Remember- Britain defeated Hitler in alliance with Stalin. We sure fought for freedom there.
: Not just the peace corps, when I studied the New Deal in school I was surprised that this Right Wing nation that was crawling with the KKK had suddenly went all socialist. It was liberal socialism and it has been dismantled but it shouldnt be forgotten just like that.
left-wing capitalism.
: Note the "whatever that means" a continued fanatical anti-nationalism the lefts hatred of even liberal patriotism is what gave rise to extreme varients of nationalism like facism and tactics like RD's here are fine if you dont mind getting out manouvered by the right again.
The 'whatever that means' was questioning how 'a people' can have self-determination, as opposed to people having self determination for themselves.
: No I dont think RD realises what self-determination means,
It means deciding for yourself how to live- it doesn't mean having a master who speaks the same language as you.
:I had to travel to Spain this year on Holidays before I could get to a good patriotic (but none Provo/IRA) irish bar where everyone wasnt up for a fight in the british tradition of hooliganism or before I could even say I'm irish without people looking horrified and immediately and forcibly denying me or accusing me of being a terrorist or something.
i.e. being on the recieivng end of some other groups nationalism- other people dividng the working class.
: Englands got an imperial past, Britain is an imperial sham to try and unite the scots, welsh, brittany, cornwall, manx under an english banner and monarch when they're all celts.
Celts? What are celts? Whats that got to do with teh price of fish? Are celts someohow different, incapable of being ruled by a Germanic tribe? Is being celt genetic? Aren't all countries just as much a sham, trying to pretend that Phil is the same as Barney?
