: Well again we are talking with substantual hindsight but I appreciate the simply socialist position of Orwell a lot more than the Marxist "philosophy" of, for instance, the WSM with all it's shit about dialectics.Actually, the WSM is quite wary of dialectics, I tend not to be.
: Quakers dont frustrate wars in which their nation is engaged with their brand of pacificism, they are forbidden to kill or harm others (I like that consistant christianity) but they can support the war effort by working in hospitals etc.
And we were being consistent in opposing British imperialism as much as German.
: I dont know what "bifurcation fallacy" is but it's like this presently you are free to oppose war, if Hitler or Mosley had conquered Britain you would not have that freedom EG the nine students of the white rose group who where beheaded and the Christians who asserted pacifism who suffered the same fate.
And our comrades in Austria opposed the war as well, and we would have fought to defend our freedom, but we would not have fought on teh side of the British State.
: Fine for a rethorical debate mate but I'm afraid I cant engage, not interested.
My, what a solid rebuttal, your deft errdition and solid argumentation leaves me speachless.
: What has this to do with my definition of nationalism? Tory nationalism maybe but you know...
When you have the right people in charge of the familly, you'd still have them having to watch their self interest first- the first duty of any ruling group is to stay in power (anyone else might be much worse).
: Yes and Marx was an unreconstructed Chartist I may add who thought the victories of deomocracy in England and US would lead to Socialism next polling day, if people wont participate in existing democracy I see no reason for them to do so in any sort of a rejigged system.
because people can see that money rules, that their votes don't translate directly into their daily lives, etc. We are denied democracy most of the time, in our workplaces, specifically, and bombardded with anti-democratic propaganda (open debate in a aprty is called weakness and division).
: Oh, you'll not appreciate the invite to irishness then, it's all a big papal plot you know.
I've heard that rumour.
: RD I dont see where the disagreement is here, this is what I'd advocate and I dont think having a national identity would scupper it.
but a national identity means being a familly with the irght people in charge, a hegemonic group, emans not having self-determination.
: Sure, so what?
back to property.
None.
