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No, you are

In Reply to: engaging in a cop-out? posted by Gee on October 27, 1999 at 12:13:27:

: : 1,085 words to prove that while Gee may have read Capital, he certainly didn't understand it.

: : Perhaps I should explain all of Gee's omissions, clarify the many points that he made a mess of...

: Yes you should - otherwise youre assuming that the labor theory of value stands uncontested by making the lousy 'if you dont understand it ofcourse you wont understand it' type of circular argument, thus neatly isolating yourself from anyone who dares contest it by essentiall saying 'ah, but I understand it and if you didi then you would agree' - this is the bemusing disagreement=misunderstanding/error formula, and its rather laughable.

But YOU'RE the one who claimed to have read Capital.

Your points about weather, the passage of time, the consumer's perception of the commodity's worth have all been confronted by Marx in Capital.

If you think I'm going to spend several hours condensing all of that material for you, you overrate yourself. You're not worth that much effort.

BTW, all you forwarded was the naive notion that the CUSTOMER decides value, a concept Adam Smith dispatched around 1776.

Follow Ups:

• And how did he do this? DonS USA October 27 1999 (4)
  • it's easy Quincunx October 28 1999 (1)
    • Adam Smith DonS USA October 28 1999 (0)
  • By going to Harvard, by any chance? Stoller October 28 1999 (1)
    • it shouldn't be difficult for you to argue the point here. DonS USA October 28 1999 (0)
• thats pathetic Gee si October 27 1999 (39)
  • Curious Dr. Cruel October 28 1999 (2)
    • and Curiouser Gee si October 28 1999 (0)
    • The Truth About 'Doc'---Finally Revealed! Stoller October 28 1999 (0)
  • Transparent (better draft) Stoller October 27 1999 (34)
    • if you wish to maintain a theory you must defend it DonS USA October 28 1999 (21)
      • Does the Second Law of Thermodynamics need defending? Quincunx October 28 1999 (20)
        • It is worth noting DonS USA October 31 1999 (0)
        • You claim that it is correct DonS USA October 28 1999 (18)
          • How correct is a Dictatorship of Reason? Quincunx October 28 1999 (17)
            • book. Gee si October 29 1999 (8)
              • read book Quincunx October 29 1999 (7)
                • it is ironic that a supporter of Marx would like the book. DonS USA October 31 1999 (6)
                  • Better pro-capitalist debaters needed here Quincunx November 01 1999 (5)
                    • Whoever said I took John Barron's writings seriously? DonS USA November 01 1999 (4)
                      • Apparently you did Quincunx November 03 1999 (3)
                        • Reason was quite sufficient for the argument you bailed on. DonS USA November 05 1999 (2)
                          • Look who's holding the bucket!! Quincunx November 07 1999 (1)
                            • I realize reason alone doesn't suffice in most areas of life. DonS USA November 12 1999 (0)
            • Maxism is based upon reason. DonS USA October 29 1999 (7)
              • Maxism, Maximization, Maximalism, Marxism or Maxwell Smart? Quincunx October 29 1999 (6)
                • Hyper typos Quincunx October 31 1999 (0)
                • Sorry About That, Chief! pOEM October 31 1999 (0)
                • Sorry to confuse you--I meant Marxism. DonS USA October 31 1999 (3)
                  • What you mean is basically deep subjectivism Quincunx November 01 1999 (2)
                    • I read about this stuff back in the '80s and early '90s. DonS USA November 01 1999 (1)
                      • Then they should be able to be found Quincunx November 07 1999 (0)
    • thats a better draft? - necessary labor time Gee si October 28 1999 (11)
      • OK, Gee, here's an (socially necessary) hour of my time Barry Stoller October 28 1999 (9)
        • Correction Stoller October 28 1999 (0)
        • holding your hand Gee si October 28 1999 (7)
          • OK, Gee, You're RIGHT! Barry Stoller October 28 1999 (6)
            • Draw whatever conclusions you believe will comfort you the most. Gee si October 28 1999 (5)
              • You haven't read what you criticize Stoller October 28 1999 (4)
                • youre hoping Gee si October 28 1999 (3)
                  • Specious erudition? No thanks! Barry Stoller (also known as Uranian Willie the Heavy Metal Kid who Wised up the Marks) October 29 1999 (2)
                    • No thanks? Gee si October 29 1999 (1)
                      • No thanks! Stoller November 24 1999 (0)
      • Who's counting necessary labor time? Quincunx October 28 1999 (0)
  • Transparent Stoller October 27 1999 (0)