: I'm not putting any words in your mouth, man, I'm just asking/posing questions regarding your own statements, the questions I posed stand for other people on this board who have failed signally to address them...Your are however trying to convince me of something and failing to accept we merely have a disagreement going on.
: I haven't disagreeed with you, I don't care if it is a natural state or not, I don't give a bugger, quite honestly, I think that whole debate is an utter red herring- basically, my simple point is this, if we can do it, its natural, and yes, that includes atom bombs.
OK I'm glad of that, I thought the natural verse choice was beginning to smell like the ocean too. It's maybe more important if your Gay to insist your born that way but neither of us is Gay so it's a bit academic.
: Who knows? Who cares? It happened.
It knocks the old naturality argument though.
: Yes, and we usually deny that argument, on the grounds that pre-pubescent children cannot make such a choice, its always rape, it cannot be consensual.
True and I'm very glad to hear that but with a general liberalising of society what could happen. You know the age of consent for most things in Holland is 12.
: : I wouldnt say peadaphilia is intrinsically linked to child molesting but societies judgementality, what you are railing against, is what makes child molesting unacceptable.
Shite, that should read: I wouldnt say homosexuality is intrinsically linked etc. etc. I'm ill at the moment and it's fucking up my posts.
: No, what makes child molesting unacceptable, is that it is inherently abusive, a child cannot consent, in any meaningful manner.
Yeah I agree, there are people, like me, who think that consent to buggery etc. only exists because of liberal currents in society and that molesting could get accepted one day too in the same fashion
: I'm not looking at causes, merely effects, the results are the same, you may not want to see them beaten up, and would never advocate doing so, but you do advocate a certain pressure that is itself unpleasant to say the least.
Well, I would pressurise homosexuals etc. to get their sexuality the fuck out of my face since it has nothing to do with me and I find it disgusting if that's terrible then I'm Guilty.
: No, they are still marginalised, although, plenty of heterosexual prostiutes hang out in similar locations in other cities.
I wouldnt say that's fine either. When will they be main stream enough to stop all this? I could hiberate 'til then.
: When did outrage organize a riot? And climbing onto church podiums is hardly a mortal sin, it was qwuite popular over here during....teh revolut....oh, yeah...
Outside the Lords when they blocked the age of consent bill. Red would you appreciate it if say a trot or tankie climbed on to a SPGB platform to give off and drown out everyone else?
: Actually you'll find that they don't want to have their sexuality being the sighnificant fact about their lives, however, society treats them as such, if a gay character turns up in a film, its immediately seen as having homosexuality as a theme, teh day when a gay characetr can pass without comment, without homosexuality being a plot-point per se, will be a major step forward for society.
Maybe, I'll just disagree there have you seen Reality Bites?, these people who dont want sexuality to be such a defining point about their lives they cant be the same ones that dress all camp and go on Pride marches and things?
: : P.P.S You culture is based on religious fundamentalism and hatred.
: Really?
Shite, no not you RD your an atheist (God exists alright man?) I meant Orange culture is based on religious fundamentalism.
