: Your are however trying to convince me of something and failing to accept we merely have a disagreement going on.I'm trying to understand your logic, and I think you're views are wrong and damaging...so of course I'll try and persuade you otehrwise.
: OK I'm glad of that, I thought the natural verse choice was beginning to smell like the ocean too. It's maybe more important if your Gay to insist your born that way but neither of us is Gay so it's a bit academic.
Well, its only important to them because people keep insisiting that 'its unnatural', or that its filthy disgusting etc. and claiming its natural is just the flip side of that discourse.
: It knocks the old naturality argument though.
But the naturality argument only applies as much as other folks claim its unnatural, which is a heavilly ideological claim- nature doesn't matter, and is irrelevent to either side.
: True and I'm very glad to hear that but with a general liberalising of society what could happen. You know the age of consent for most things in Holland is 12.
Where to set that age is a tricky qustion, 13 is probably more like it, ours is a bit high because of several laws passed in the 19th C. against 'the white slave trade'
: Shite, that should read: I wouldnt say homosexuality is intrinsically linked etc. etc. I'm ill at the moment and it's fucking up my posts.
I dug what ya said man, divn't fret thee.
: Yeah I agree, there are people, like me, who think that consent to buggery etc. only exists because of liberal currents in society and that molesting could get accepted one day too in the same fashion
No, because an adult can make an informed consensual decision to engage in soddomy or whatever, a child cannot. that argument is tantamount to denying us free will.
: Well, I would pressurise homosexuals etc. to get their sexuality the fuck out of my face since it has nothing to do with me and I find it disgusting if that's terrible then I'm Guilty.
Your words man, your words.
: I wouldnt say that's fine either. When will they be main stream enough to stop all this? I could hiberate 'til then.
I don't know, join teh campiagn to help- first we need to abolish property and poverty, and then we can all fuck like wesels on heat guilt free ;)
: Outside the Lords when they blocked the age of consent bill. Red would you appreciate it if say a trot or tankie climbed on to a SPGB platform to give off and drown out everyone else?
Thats not quite what happened, but I would share a platform and debate openly and honsetly with them.
: Maybe, I'll just disagree there have you seen Reality Bites?, these people who dont want sexuality to be such a defining point about their lives they cant be the same ones that dress all camp and go on Pride marches and things?
Yes, because thats a campiagn, to demand recognition, and get gay liberation, so that it can become an irrelevent fact. Its alos a damned fine luagh by the looks of it.
: Shite, no not you RD your an atheist (God exists alright man?) I meant Orange culture is based on religious fundamentalism.
If God does exist, I'm vaguely damned due to a few unfortunate wanking incedents...unless the Policy change on that one is retroactive ;)
