In Reply to: The sides are capitalism and workers posted by Siamak on May 24, 1996 at 16:30:44:
: : Well, you could say that your attempt to build a strawman argument
: : by forcing words into my mouth and ascribing false positions to me
: : by adopting a naive dichotomous view of all that I've said, has failed
: : miserably!: Well, as I said what I outlined in my reply was MY understanding of your
: position on the basis of your own articles...and, as I've pointed out above, that understanding is based on a naive
and simplistic interpretation. A rather more sophisticated model is required
if you wish to ascribe positions to me based on what I didn't say.
I'm sure the readers are sufficeintly intelligent to understand that
rather obvious point. The 'Have you stopped beating your wife yet?' line
is rather hackneyed these days.: OK, OK, OK, let me spell it out for you (and pleeeeease try to understand this time).
: There are millions of low paid workers throughout the world who work under
: terrible working conditions.Agreed, sweat shops in Hong Kong, child labour in the carpet industry in India,
You're not going to compare working in a London McDonalds to any of those I presume?: This includes McD workers.
Good grief! You are!! Does the phrase 'sense of proportion' mean
anything to you?
: this is the nature of the capitalist world we are leaving in and that is exactlyAhh..magic word time, 'capitalist world'
: why we have to unite to campaign for a total change of the existing global socio-economic
: system. This of course requires exposing and fighting against exploitation of workers
: by capitalist establishments wherever it occures.Got it now...Socialist Worker Party? Revolutionary Communist Party?
Arise comrades! The revolution is coming! Strike a blow for the proletariat!
Campaign against....a burger shop???: And this is where organisations
: like McSpotlight play an important role.Yes of course. Their role is that of convenient vehicles for every
'has-been' communist revolutionaries with an agenda of world revolution
and similar hackneyed phrases to push. And what of the 'workers'?
Just a convenient stick with which to beat the 'capitalist runing dogs'
with.
: : I am on the side of those who are genuinely doing difficult jobs for
: : little pay.: You could have fooled me!!
So what exactly are you doing about child labour in India Mr 'Workers Friend'?
Oh yes, mouthing off about a burger chain and little else.
: : will you tell those unemployed former employees now earning zero
: : per hour?: So now in addition to everything else we have to be indebted to McD for
: creating jobs too!! You are begining to sound more and more like a company
: person desperately fighting the corporations' corner. Is it beyong you to imagine
: other possibly more interesting and useful jobs?Of course. How silly of me. After everyone is thrown out of a job, they are
then given one back by the 'state corporation', everyone is happy and
each year we set new record of grain harvests. Hasn't that already
been tried somewhere and failed?: : Deal with what I write.
: Look mate, cut out the bull. Don't tell me you were just being controversial for
: the sake of better debate because it won't work.But you don't know that, do you? But then left wingers
rarely do, so caught up are they in their own little world
Produce something more substantive than the 'party line'
and deal with real issues on the ground and real people rather
than mouthing platitudes about how it'll be all fine and dandy
when the 'revolution' comes. If you're real concern was workers
rights and conditions, you'd be doing something about those in
real hardship rather than chasing paper tigers like a burger
company.: The bottom line is that if someone regards working at McD simply flipping burgers,
: then s/he can't really know much about the job.The bottom line is, you don't care two hoots about these people,
they are simply a convenient propoganda peg on which to hang your
hat for a while. They will be discarded with the same indifference as
a Big Mac wrapper, by you when a new 'propoganda opportunity'
comes along your way, and you'll be off chasing other vacuous
causes.