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To obscure socialist history in favor of accuracy.

In Reply to: And the point is? posted by Stoller on October 27, 1999 at 18:14:00:

: : Most people will not have heard of the Workers World Party, which, according to Cockburn, is the organization that has put together this new "anti-war" coalition. But I remember them from the sixties as the only Trotskyist splinter to endorse the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956... (From National Review, February 25, 1991.)

: Note the words the only Trotskyist splinter..., then ask yourself: Were there more than one 'Trotskyite' group? If so, were their policies different?

I have no earthly idea. I only know what I read. I find ex-communists to be more forthcoming with information though.
By the way, were there more then one Trotskyite group? Were there policies different? (Hold on here! Don't all communists hew to Marx?) Why did you delete the part about 30,000 dead?

: Then ask yourself: Who on this debate board is supporting some obscure tendency from 30 years ago?

Now that's what I call chutzpah! So that's what Communist involvement is when 30K folks get killed- "...some obscure tendency from 30 years ago (?)". God, you guys are terrific!
Think we could dismiss American slavery as an 'obsure tendency'of a century ago? How about Hitler's 'obscure tendency's' towards a particular group of people?
Now I see why you deleted it, they were obscure folks, little people, not really worth a second consideration.

: Straw man.

Please, an obscure straw man...

: As William S. Burroughs put it: 'You win something like jellyfish, meester.'

Burroughs, oh yeah, the guy who put a bullet in his wife's head as a bar room gag. Another of your cultural heroes?

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• The Dope on Burroughs (or Talkin' Modern Literature with Frenchy) Stoller October 31 1999 (1)
  • Gimme a break, it's junk. Frenchy November 01 1999 (0)
• trotskyists are leninists... Red Deathy Socialist Party UK October 29 1999 (10)
  • ...with an exception or two... Stoller November 05 1999 (0)
  • Oh...I remember it well. bill October 31 1999 (0)
  • Why, thank you and a hat tip sir. Frenchy October 31 1999 (7)
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          • 'disgusting distortions', a revolting development. Frenchy November 05 1999 (0)
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