Floyd, dear friend,: Perhaps, but one would first have to provide evidence that there was a Noachian flood to begin with. To date, no evidence of a global flood has been provided. It strikes me that this story (which also appears in older Sumerian traditions from the same area, by the way) may be meant as a parable, rather than a literal fact. Certainly, large-scale flooding of the middle east is not impossible. In fact, I imagine the formation of the Bosphorous, as the Mediterranean broke through into the Black Sea, due to rising sea levels in the Holocene would be the sort of event that would make a lasting impression. Through centuries of re-telling, the tale could take on global proportions, like the children's game of "telephone," where slight distortions build up and multiply hrough time.
I've seen sea shells on the surface of high mountains, hundreds of miles from the oceans, is that not possible evidence?
Actually, the recordong of the flood is in hundreds of ancient cultures, amongst those who had no contact. This is evidence of a common source, hence evidence of support that "something" happened.
The sea bulge of the old equator explains that perfectly.
: It has actually "shifted," several times. There is a brief (in geological terms...thousands of years) period when the earth is exposed to higher than normal cosmic radiation, as the poles reverse, but the practical, noticable effect is that all the compases would point the other way. (Actually, such a shift seems to expose life to more cosmic rays, so the mutation rate may be slightly higher during such reversals of polarity, butthis would be unnoticable to an observer at the time.) The process you are describing, however, is more akin to magnetic polar drift, which is in fact happening all the time. We think of our planet as a perfect sphere, and it is pretty close, but in fact the distribution of mass is not entirely homogeneous, and as a result, the poles drift slightly all the time. Archaeomagnetic dating relies on this, since it measures the location of the poles at the time of the creation of certain materials (most notably clay or mud walls).
Perhaps the several shifts happened during 1) Noahic Flood, and 2) The standing still of the sun in Joshua's famous battle.
As for paleomagnetism, the silicon of the magma in the direction of magnetic north upon hardening. This same process happens when a clay piece of pottery is baked in a kiln, the particles will align themselves with magnetic north before hardening.
: The problem, here, is that geology and physics tell us that there is no liquid water in the mantle. The melting point of iron is much higher than that of water, so the temperature of the mantle (above 600 degrees C, IIRC) is such that water would all be broken down into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. These would more likely bond with the available metals than with each other.
Perhaps I've confused you here. The waters of the deep are the oceans that would wash over the continents upon a sudden shift, not the liquid mantle. I merely described the mantle to show the different physical stratifications of the earth and their inter-relatedness.
: : Other supporting evidences are the worldwide normality of the mountain ranges to the "old" north (now in the Baniff Peninsula, Canada).
: Actually, mountain ranges are almost universally parallel to either old coastlines (e.g. Rockies, Cascades, Appalachians) or to directions of force, (Himalayas,) or in rare cases, perpendicular to the direction of continental drift (East African Rift, Hawaiian Islands, US Great Basin ranges) due to the way mountains are formed (subduction and/or collision, or over-riding a "hot spot" [convection]). Any introduction to geology textbook written since the late 1960s (when tectonics finally became reasonably well understood) would help to clarify this, probably much more eloquently than I can.
But the the point here, the mountain systems are universally parallel to each other and normal to the old north. That is, the system from Alaska to Chile is parallel to the system which stars in the British Isles and works its way to the Himalayas. Both systems are normal to the old norht. A perfect fit for such an occurance.
: :Paleomagnetic readings of the layered coolings. The sea bulge location of a mysterious sea port high in the Andes, Tiuhahnaco.
: On what grounds do you consider Tiuhahnaco a sea port? What is your reference? (It better not be Erik VonDaniken!)
It's open city design is not one for high-altitude, cold climates, rather sea level tropics instead. It has boat slips built into it on the side of the mountain. The process of getting the stones from the quarry to the site over mountains for many miles would be much easier done by ferrying, vice dragging them up and down steep and rough mountain grades.
: :The suddenly frozen animals (10's of thousands) normally associated with warmer climates whose undigested food is still in their stomach.
: I'd hardly associate the mammoths of Siberia with warmer climates. Somebody gave you a bit of mis-information here, Robert. This story is originally based on the discovery of dandilions in the stomach of a frozen mammoth in Siberia. The "mystery," at the time, was based on the assumption that Holocene biotic communities were good representatives of Pleistocene communities. We now know that this is not the case. R. Dale Guthrie, in his 1984 article Mosaics, Alochemics, and Nutrients: An ecological Theory of Late Pleistocene Megafaunal Extinctions (pp.259-298 in _Quaternary Extinctions: A Prehistoric Revolution_, edited by Paul Martin and Richard Klein, University of Arizona Press, Tucson) describes how Pleistocene biotic communities were probably fundamentally different from the communities of the Holocene. Dandilions, which were the source of the original confusion, are a particularly poor paleoenvironmental indicator to begin with. It's only because the field of paleoenvironmental reconstruction was in its infancy at the time that there was ever any confusion about this at all.
Tigers are however a tropical animal.
: : Perhaps this could be one small example of God intruding into our 3-D space and 1-D time dimensions. But the biggest example was Jesus Himself, who as all-powerful God came here to save us from our sins.
: Well, again, you've got a "circular reasoning" problem here, as well as "assuming the consequent," but I'll leave that alone for the time being, as I'm not currently in the mood for theological debate, sorry.
The operative word here is Perhaps. It's only an idea not proof, but as man learns about extra-dimensionality, he denies it less. For example, scientists now say that after the creation our 4-D universe separated from a 6-D one. Therefore, for every time/space point within our universe, there exists 6 more dimensions with them. Of course we cannot see them. But it is interesting to me that the God of the Bible is the only one who claims transcendence in extra-dimensional time/space. Coincidence, good guesses by Moses et. al.? You choose.
Shift to WTO topic.
: :They come on like a bunch of "free traders", but in actual fact, they are only about CONTROLLING economies and monetised DEBT currency policies. As far as I'm concerned those things equal Imperial Communism.
: I think this may be one of our sources of confusion. You seem to be using the term "communism" in a...well..."unique" way here. Communism, sensu stricto, is about taking from each for the benefit of all, whereas the WTO seems more intent on taking from the many for the benefit of the few. "Imperialism" is definitely one of their traits, but their prefered economic system is clearly monopoly capitalism. Perhaps I'd be able to understand you better if you explained what you mean by your terms?
I use the definition "dialectic materialism" to define Communism. The WTO are using rank materialism to further their objectives. The anarchists who by appearance would seem to be their antagonists are in fact their accomplices. How, may you ask?
The anarchists are rank materialists as well. Look how many are evolutionists, atheists, etc. But more, it is the dialectic at work here that is achieving the real aim. A conflict of the opposites, will yield synthesis. A controlled conflict of the opposites, will yield controlled sythesis. This conflict was widely seen last week between WTO and anarchists. It was controlled, as well, by policing mechanisms and by political influences. This much is obvious.
What is this synthesis? Note that the WTO and anarchist both agree on one subtle but not so insignificant point. Globalisation.
That's right, people are being asked to choose between the WTO and anarchist, when in fact, the goals of each are identical. This is classic dialectic materialism.
Perhaps those who have fallen for the bait, whether they be the marchers on the streets, or the "free traders" backing the WTO, are too emotionally driven to see how they are being used. And because of this, perhaps they cannot even see that they are in fact accomplices, not mutually exclusive as they think they are. Another term for globalisation is simply Imperialism, that is, the desire to set up an earthly kingdom.
The earthly kingdom message uses fake Christianity to further its aims as well. "Millenialism", "Liberation Theology", "World Brotherhood", and a host of other earthly seeking movements block and undermine the true message of Jesus Christ. That is the individual Salvation of Souls.
His Kingdom is NOT of this world. It lives in the hearts of believers by the joy and happiness of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps His Kingdom will live in you someday, Floyd? I'll keep praying. God Bless.
Robert
