DDN: "None. Tonya wasn't talking about me specifically. She was addressing men in general. Last time I checked, wars were predominantly fought by men, correct?"Yup. Most women and some men seem to know better than to seek out and engage in violence.
DDN: "The correct question would be: How many of my heads have been blown off. The correct response would be ONE."
And to elaborate, not often enough, I'm sure you'd say, since women have been taunting you by acting sassy and not givin' you the head you deserve.
DDN: "Excuse me, but when you see a bunch of people building a house, are they usually women or men? Men build pretty much everything, they do most of it for women, and they risk life and limb doing it."
Right. Women live in houses. Men build them for women, and then sleep in the bush, right?
DDN: Then you shouldn't have any problem learning how to defend yourself against physical and sexual assualts from men. Why don't you and Tonya go take some karate lessons then you won't need men for that either.
What? I know you think it's women's responsibility to beat off men, but now it's now women's responsibility to fight off men? Right. Forget the logical answer that men should stop hurting women. Women should just learn to put up with it, right?
DDN: "No. My problem has primarily been that I am needy and helpless in relationships and women have hated me to no end for that. I've gotten much better responses from them by treating them like complete shit. Maybe you can explain to everyone here why it is that every male I've ever queried has had a simular experience."
Maybe you felt better treating them like shit, but I doubt they felt better. Some women and men who have experienced oppressive, abusive relationships seem to get caught up in those sorts of relationships repeatedly, because that is what they know.
DDN: "Really? A minute ago it was no sweat for you: "I know all about cars, fixing things around the house, I'm better at this, that, and the other thing." Why is living on your own so difficult if you are so adept at the skills that are required to do so? If you are more skilled than the men you know in these areas then how would adding a man to your life make these tasks easier? What is it that makes "living on your own in a man's world" so difficult if you don't need a man?"
Hey, DDN! Sociologists would explain this phenomenon as the minority (or those with less power) learning the rules of those in power because they have to to survive. Conversely, those in power learn relatively little about those less powerful than them, because they don't need to. FOr example, your average 18th century black slave knew more about white culture than white people knew about slave culture. Seems a simple enough concept... The hard part is being told you HAVE to play by other people's rules.
DDN: "Fine. You're exactly the same as man then. Congratulations. How sexy."
Comments like that get you branded as a chauvinist woman hater. What is this crap about becoming a man? What you seem to be saying is women are inferior by nature, unless they act like men. Then they are up to par, except then they are not sexy. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. You're insinuations are disgusting.
DDN: "Its not a matter of CAN or CAN'T. It's a matter of SHOULD or SHOULDN'T. I don't want a woman that doesn't NEED me for anything."
Because you are convinced that you need to in a position of power relative to women. It seems that the thought of powerful women frightens you, while powerful men are natural. Do you not see the hypocrisy, the double standard?
DDN: "Modern feminist movements create just as much derision between the sexes as has any male cheuvenist sexism proceeding them."
No, modern feminism is fighting stereotypes that harm, oppress, degrade, and punish women. Modern feminism has fought gender-based persecution carried out by men against women. Modern feminism has fought for women's rights to vote, to be legally considered "persons", to have jobs, to earn equal pay for equal work, to be represented fairly in all facets of society, and to live life without fear of being discriminated against because of their gender.
DDN: "Dare I suggest that a solution to our man/woman issues might come through us becoming MORE of who we really are: Men and Women; Through identifying, respecting and honoring the things that make us different instead of trying to annihilate them in a firestorm of feminist revenge."
So what are men and what are women? I always thought gender was a social consruct, and that men and women can be whatever their individual desires might be. The trouble is they are pressured, oppressed, guided, and segregated based on these constructed genders when in fact the only real difference is that women can have children and men can pee standing up. Stop clinging to your sexist traditions when so clearly they have only hurt us.
