: DDN: "None. Tonya wasn't talking about me specifically. She was addressing men in general. Last time I checked, wars were predominantly fought by men, correct?"Kevin: Yup. Most women and some men seem to know better than to seek out and engage in violence.
DDN: My god, can you be more naïve? Have you ever heard of the draft? When men (boys rather) reach a certain age the are required by law to register for the draft in case of war.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "The correct question would be: How many of my heads have been blown off. The correct response would be ONE."
Kevin: And to elaborate, not often enough, I'm sure you'd say, since women have been taunting you by acting sassy and not givin' you the head you deserve.
DDN: Well, I've never heard any male comlpain about receiving to much head.
"Stop sucking my dick right now or I'll call the police!"
- George Carlin (From "Things you'll never hear")
-----------------------------------------------
: DDN: "Excuse me, but when you see a bunch of people building a house, are they usually women or men? Men build pretty much everything, they do most of it for women, and they risk life and limb doing it."
Kevin: Right. Women live in houses. Men build them for women, and then sleep in the bush, right?
DDN: No, they sleep in the house where the poontang is. Get real.
-----------------------------------------------
: DDN: Then you shouldn't have any problem learning how to defend yourself against physical and sexual assualts from men. Why don't you and Tonya go take some karate lessons then you won't need men for that either.
Kevin: What? I know you think it's women's responsibility to beat off men, but now it's now women's responsibility to fight off men? Right. Forget the logical answer that men should stop hurting women. Women should just learn to put up with it, right?
DDN: You lost me here. I was being sarcastic. She was bragging about how self sufficient she is without a man and I was sarcasically suggesting that she should work harder to eradicate the need for male companionship by becoming able to defend herself against aggressors.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "No. My problem has primarily been that I am needy and helpless in relationships and women have hated me to no end for that. I've gotten much better responses from them by treating them like complete shit. Maybe you can explain to everyone here why it is that every male I've ever queried has had a simular experience."
Kevin: Maybe you felt better treating them like shit, but I doubt they felt better. Some women and men who have experienced oppressive, abusive relationships seem to get caught up in those sorts of relationships repeatedly, because that is what they know.
DDN: Yes, and going with what you know is comfortable and gives one a temporary sensation of "feeling better". That's why they stay in those relationships - because it feels good (i.e. familiar). Every shrink, counselor, and social worker on the block knows this. Don't you watch Oprah?
------------------------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "Fine. You're exactly the same as a man then. Congratulations. How sexy."
Kevin: Comments like that get you branded as a chauvinist woman hater.
DDN: Yes, I know. And I would give a damn if I were trying to win a popularity contest, but I'm not. I'm looking for the truth about men and women and sometimes what I find out doesn't match what's inside the FemiNazi brochures you've been reading. Too freakin bad.
Kevin: ……………What is this crap about becoming a man? What you seem to be saying is women are inferior by nature, unless they act like men.
DDN: Where in the hell are you getting this from? Are you sure you are reading MY posts and someone else's? If I'm saying anything at all I'm saying that women are the most wonderful thing in the universe until they start trying to become men; then they become abominable freaks of nature, being neither male nor female, handicapped by their bitterness and confusion, unable to effectively exchange love with men who have not tried to make the same horrible, dysfunctional counter compromise of becoming female.
The last thing in the world I want is for women to act like men. I find that disgusting.
-------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "Its not a matter of CAN or CAN'T. It's a matter of SHOULD or SHOULDN'T. I don't want a woman that doesn't NEED me for anything."
Kevin: Because you are convinced that you need to in a position of power relative to women.
DDN: What's a relationship worth if nobody in it has any power? Who runs the relationship if not the people that are involved in it? What do they run it with if they don't have any power? How is that power supposed to be divided? The men are not to have ANY whatsoever? What kind of bullsh_t is that?
Kevin: ……It seems that the thought of powerful women frightens you, while powerful men are natural. Do you not see the hypocrisy, the double standard?
DDN: Yes, it does tremendously, if, by "powerful", you mean that there is no surrender in the relationship; that every move, touch, and utterance is completely monitored and regulated my the woman in lieu of the man's all encompassing incompetence; that sex is a bone to be tossed in my cage whenever every last petty desire of the woman has been fullfilled. Its frightening, its disgusting, its unnatural, and more and more common every day.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "Modern feminist movements create just as much derision between the sexes as has any male cheuvenist sexism proceeding them."
Kevin: No, modern feminism is fighting stereotypes that harm, oppress, degrade, and punish women. Modern feminism has fought gender-based persecution carried out by men against women. Modern feminism has fought for women's rights to vote, to be legally considered "persons", to have jobs, to earn equal pay for equal work, to be represented fairly in all facets of society, and to live life without fear of being discriminated against because of their gender.
DDN: Yes. And they've also created just as much derision between the sexes as has any male cheuvenist sexism proceeding them. What of that?
-------------------------------------------------------
: DDN: "Dare I suggest that a solution to our man/woman issues might come through us becoming MORE of who we really are: Men and Women; Through identifying, respecting and honoring the things that make us different instead of trying to annihilate them in a firestorm of feminist revenge."
Kevin: So what are men and what are women?
DDN: You want pictures? They're animals, sex machines, spiritual beings. I know one thing for sure: There's more differences between them than how they pee.
Kevin: I always thought gender was a social consruct,
DDN: You're kidding me, right? Anatomy, psychology, biology, theology……..what field of study would concur with this view? Oh yeah, Feminism, the one TRUE hard science to replace all other bodies of scientific knowledge.
Kevin:…..and that men and women can be whatever their individual desires might be.
DDN: Again, its not an issue of CAN or CAN'T. Anyone can get sex change operation and actually change genders. But SHOULD they? Is such a path the best solution for everyone who is frustrated with their experience as a male or female? Wouldn't it be better to repair or replace the social constructs that have made being male or female uncomfortable? Wouldn't we be better off being allowed and supported in following the natural inclinations we have has men and women?
Kevin:…….The trouble is they are pressured, oppressed, guided, and segregated based on these constructed genders when in fact the only real difference is that women can have children and men can pee standing up. Stop clinging to your sexist traditions when so clearly they have only hurt us.
DDN: …..Sigh…..
