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Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on August 31, 1999 at 17:10:33:

In Reply to: But No Finality posted by Stuart Gort on August 31, 1999 at 13:12:27:

: Then I see such effort made by men as they endeavour to corrupt Christ's simple message and nearly deify a man such as Marx.

Who deifies Charlie? the bugger's, he'd spin in his grave, rotate in highgate so he would.

:I must ascribe that to evil forces and assume a spiritual battle between the essence of humanistic Marxism (humans can aspire to perfection) and Christianity (God will complete us).

Another way of looking at it, though, is through Hegelian eyes, with Marx showing how to Realise the Absolute Spirit (i.e. God in hegel's version of the ontological proof) in the form of communism. If you are inclined to religious Hegelianism that is...

:"I am the opmium, the pipe, and the match, no man cometh unto the party but through me?" Doesn't quite make it, does it?

I dunno, man, a few protestants I know claim they follow the nicean Creed, I have no idea if you subscribe to it or not (Apprently there is an amusing Board-game called 'Credo' in which you get to be the council of nicea, and should the nuaghty gnostics sneak anything in...) but it does include "We believe in one church, holy, catholic (i.e. universal) and Apostolic." the Apostilic tradition, "I shall name you Peter, the rock upon which I shall build my church", St, peter, first Pope.

the Apostolic tradition holds that the Preists are the descendants of the Apostles, imbued with the holy spirit, doing the funky middle-man thang, and the way to jesus is through them...But then, you don't like Catholicism do you? Shame, i think Catholicism tends to have advantages over protestant mean spirtedness. I like the idea that we are responsible for each others souls...getting to Heaven is a communal effort.

Mind, the Quakers aren't bad neither...

: If God is the motivating force behind Marxism, He is self defeating and will be found as impotent to serve as a hope for humanity. History shows no success of applied Marxist principles on any scale even remotely close to universal.

No attempt has been made to properly universially impliment Socialism.

: If Liberation Theology is from the God of the Bible, He is abandoning man and 2000 years of man's accepted scholarship and doctrine to attempt to build His kingdom on violence and revolution. How stupid do the proponents of Libertion Theology think their adherants are anyway? They must certainly plan on leaving them illiterate unless they plan to rewrite the Bible.

The bible supported Millitant puritanism, violent Quakerism (yes, they were violent before 1688). lets bring heaven to earth, they said.

: Indeed the universalist appeal of Jesus was that salvation came outside of the law and therefore outside of the purview of those in religious power at that time.

Wow, antinomianism! We'll make a muggletonian of you yet, man.

: It defies common sense to suggest that Christ had not the same racial composition as Mary and Joseph.

well, Mary, Joseph is more than irrelevent to the equation.



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