: And Hegel's immoral hero philosophy served up the German intelligencia to the Third Reich and paved the way for the spiritual revival that ensued, I suppose.Actually, Hegel was a pronounced anti-nationalist, and his theories were seriously distorted during the german Romantic revival of teh late eighteenth century. Yes, he thought that nations were founded by great men, doubtless he thunked Jesus was just such a great man.
: You've been drinking again, haven't you, Red? I hope the connection between Christ and Hegel wasn't cooked up in the labratory of some disillusioned Unification theorist. The second we see a physicist throwing numbers about to support this lunacy the sooner it will hit big.
i made no connection between Christ and hegel, I made the connnection to show how philosophy has sublimated religion, and how by way of that it reaches marxian thought.
: If the Catholic Church has only this to support a priesthood and papal hierarchy it's a wonder they bother with the Bible at all.
No, its that Peter was the first Pope, and all popes claim direct succession to him as the first leader of the Christian church. Further, they point to the Pentacost, the flaming tongues and all that, and teh function of the apostles themselves, as teh justification for the priesthood.
: Christ does go on to give Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven in this text. The hard part of this text is when Christ says "whatever is bound on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever is loosed..." Bound and loosed were common rabbinical terms of that day which meant forbid and permit. It is clear that Christ is giving Peter authority here, as was fitting considering the fact that He was not to be with them for much longer. But did that authority put salvation in the hands of men as the Catholic Church would have us believe? If so, what do you make of the fact that a few verses later, Christ calls Peter Satan? I say that Satan, through Peter, was attempting to dissuade Christ of His resolve to suffer indignity and death for the sake of man. I say that, but for that resolve, there would be no salvation at all. Now if the Catholic Church wishes to throw out substantial portions of the book of Hebrews in order to ignore the fact that Christ is our one and only high priest forever, I suppose they can. But what they can't do is arbitrate real salvation by forcing capitulation to a liturgy, sacrament, or priest. Salvation is a gift of God, not the result of works, lest any man should boast. But that would be in Ephesians, another book the Catholic church must ignore to uphold its hierarchy of tyranny.
Ah! Justification by faith, that ever venemous philosophy, that absolves teh righteous forever from foraying into the world and trying to do good, removcing the crushign imperatives of 'what I have done, and what I have failed to do. Jesus is the only high-priest for Catholicism 'when (umpteen) or more of you are gathered in my name I will be there' the whole point of mass.
You neglect to mention whether you believe in one church holy catholic and apostlic?
Further, by accepting that only them as believe in jesus will be saved, as per the otehr thread, you accept basically that Jesus wants us to join the party.
BTW- do you beleive in teh Calvinist doctrine of predestination, or of teh elect? Just curious- coz the elect is very much, again, of a 'join the party' sort of mentality.
: But we are not responsible for other's souls, Red. You can't bear the responsibility for your own soul, much less anyone else's. Are you telling me there is an effort you can make to aquire salvation? What could this be?
I could go along and confess my sions and recieve the sacrement of recolciliation, i could pray. I can poray for the souls of the dead.
: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father but through Me". Not through works, not through a priest, not through sacraments, not through indulgences, not through a pope, not through penance, not through transubstantiation, not through confession, not through baptism. Only through Christ - our high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
And he works via the medium of the holy spirit and through his apostles. Only via recieving his grace in the sacrement of communion..etc.
: I'm not going to explain what a bugger is; look it up, they must have it in the US as well...
eee, by 'eck lad, reckon as like e'won' find its proper meaning there, like. on Elkly moor bar t'hat.
