Day 120 - 03 May 95 - Page 35

     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  How many restaurants does McDonald's have round the
     3        world -- 15,000?
     4        A.  I am not sure, I think about 15,000.
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     6   Q.   And 10,000 in America, yes?
     7        A.  Yes, something like that.
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     9   Q.   Of that 10,000, in America, how many are franchised?  I am
    10        sure you know that?
    11        A.  I do not.  About 8,000, I think.
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    13   Q.   About 8,000 -- exactly?
    14        A.  No, not exactly.
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    16   Q.   What I mean is of your 10,000 restaurants in America 8,000
    17        are franchised?
    18        A.  Yes.
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    20   Q.   Of your, whatever number of restaurants were or are in
         Ireland ---
    22        A.  All of them are franchised.
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    24   Q.   All of them are franchised?
    25        A.  Yes.
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    27   Q.   But they are your restaurants.
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    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am sorry?
    30        A.  No.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Maybe I just cannot put aside being a lawyer,
    33        it may well be at the end of the day that you will be able
    34        to point to evidence which says, although this employee
    35        McCann  and this employee O'Brien, had their contracts of
    36        service with Pantry Franchise Ireland Limited, which is not
    37        a McDonald's company, but a company with whom McDonald's
    38        Corporation, or a McDonald's company, had some contractual
    39        relationship, then by reason of instructions they have
    40        given, or terms of their franchise arrangement, or
         something like that, they had control or influence over the
    42        way employees were treated.  But at the moment the evidence
    43        of this witness is that the contractual relationship
    44        between a franchisee and a crew member was for the
    45        franchisee and the crew member.
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    47   MR. MORRIS:  To be honest, the stores in Ireland have an "M" on
    48        them.  They are called McDonald's, and they were called
    49        McDonald's at that time?
    50        A.  Yes. 
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    52   Q.   They were not called Pantry Franchise? 
    53        A.  The own was Pantry Franchise Limited.
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    55   Q.   But the reality is they were a McDonald's store, and
    56        McDonald's is responsible for the products they serve?
    57        A.  Yes.
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    59   Q.   Their advertising -- I do not mean they control everything,
    60        but they are responsible. If that store does something