Day 115 - 06 Apr 95 - Page 20

     
     1        approve?
     2        A.  I do not approve of the process at all.  You know
     3        that.  But I really would have to see; there has been so
     4        much debate.  Again the Farm Animal Welfare Council would
     5        tell you the background of this.  The recommendations,
     6        certainly until very reasonably, have been that animals
     7        should be slaughtered singularly and out of sight of one
     8        another.
     9
    10        You can argue that is stunning part of the slaughter?
    11        There are some people now who argue (and I myself feel
    12        there might be something in this) that if they are
    13        together, particularly if they are old friends, if you
    14        like, then they are calmer in those conditions of stress.
    15
    16        I would have to see the actual circumstances, they vary so
    17        much, and pigs are animals.  As I say, in many ways you can
    18        regard them like dogs, and some dogs would be very
    19        apprehensive and some would be very vigorous; others would
    20        be easier to handle.  So I could only assess it by going to
         see it.
    22
    23   Q.   Dr. Long, you have the report of Dr. Gregory about this
    24        operation.  He did not see it in groups.  He saw it I think
    25        on the occasion he was they were being stunned singularly.
    26        He was so impressed, was he not, by what he saw that he is
    27        actually going to tell others how to do it?
    28        A.  Yes, I saw that.
    29
    30   MS. STEEL:  Only the initial part.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  No, and in the stunning pen.
    33
    34   MS. STEEL:  No, he was not impressed by what he saw in the
    35        stunning pen.
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  He had six major criticisms.
    38
    39   MR. RAMPTON:  I can show you the passage, if you want.  I think
    40        if are you going to make an objection, my Lord, if they are
         going to object, then they should stand up and make an
    42        objection.
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  We have been -----
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think let us have this one out.  Point out
    47        to the part where you say that is wrong, Mr. Morris.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:  We sometimes refer to the evidence of previous
    50        witnesses.  We have been told to quote ----- 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am asking you to point out to the actual 
    53        evidence.  I have said let us have this out.  Point me to
    54        the part concerned.
    55
    56   MR. MORRIS:  In the statement, Mr. Rampton has already said, he
    57        had six major criticisms of the slaughtering of pigs.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause for a moment because if you will
    60        not look, Ms. Steel is.