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1 unpleasant feeling and that it would have only got .65, but
2 it would still have been enough to knock it out to some
3 degree of senselessness.
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5 Q. You might or not might not be right about that, Dr. Long;
6 plainly, Dr. Gregory does not agree with you, does he,
7 because he says that welfare was not compromised -- it is
8 quite unequivocal, is it not?
9 A. It is, but with scientists in this sort of thing they
10 get a great deal of stimulation from batting ideas about,
11 and I would be happy to discuss this and put it to
12 Dr. Gregory, I wonder why it was not raised at the time,
13 because here we have a textbook saying that pigs should be
14 slaughtered when they are dry. I would have thought that
15 that would have come out somewhere in the evidence
16 concerning the Bowes system because it goes against that
17 teaching.
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19 Q. Dr. Long, the short answer to that is it would have been a
20 matter for the Defendants to put to Dr. Gregory in
21 cross-examination and they did not. That is why it was not
22 discussed in this court when he was here.
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24 MR. MORRIS: That is not the reason it was not discussed because
25 you did not put it either.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: I am not under any obligation, my Lord, to
28 put -----
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It does not matter. I have just got to look
31 at the evidence as it is at the end of the day.
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33 THE WITNESS: I think if I could say, Mr. Rampton, as
34 I understand, this evidence was not submitted until
35 13th February.
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37 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, for whatever reason, no question of the
38 process being unsatisfactory because the pigs were wet was
39 raised at all during Dr. Gregory's evidence.
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41 MR. MORRIS: Can we just point out that Dr. Gregory was aware
42 that the pigs were wet.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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46 MR. RAMPTON: Indeed he was and thought that it improved their
47 conductivity -----
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It was not suggested -- I am merely pointing
50 a thing out. I am not drawing any conclusion from it at
51 this time. For better or worse, let us assume that he
52 could see the pigs were wet, Dr. Gregory did not actually
53 raise the potential difficulty which you feel is there.
54 But that is not your concern; it may be mine at the end of
55 the day, Dr. Long.
56 A. You see, I have had a fair amount of experience in an
57 RSPCA connection with the unfortunate business of having to
58 destroy stray dogs. These electrical methods were
59 abandoned with those animals because they could not be
60 assured that they were conducted humanely.
