Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 38


     
     1        I would be grateful if would you do your best to do so.
     2
     3   THE WITNESS:  I will.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  2 o'clock.
     6
     7                        (Luncheon Adjournment)
     8
     9   MR. MORRIS:  Dr. Long, very briefly, well, no, not very briefly,
    10        but what are the main concerns, as regarding pig or eating
    11        pork, of transmission of disease, of bacteria, or whatever
    12        infection, from the slaughtered animal to the human?
    13        A.  Bacterial infections would be salmonella, particularly,
    14        and disease particularly concerned with pigs which is
    15        called yersinia.  There are being introduced special
    16        arrangements to try to prevent the spread of that.  One of
    17        the systems that is being introduced, particularly in
    18        Scandinavia, is that during slaughtering you obviously have
    19        the gut that you have to take out.  The gut is full of
    20        faeces, partially digested food and so on.
    21
    22   Q.   In the same way as the cattle?
    23        A.  It is the same for cattle, any animals, yes.  It is the
    24        same thing.  There are two exits for this, provided you
    25        have not ruptured the gut in butchering the animal, that
    26        will add extra exits for this material, the top end is the
    27        oesophagus, really, and you can clip that off or close it
    28        off with a bung.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know about the basics of any risk which
    31        there may be.
    32        A.  I am just telling .....
    33
    34   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am a bit cautious about this evidence
    35        from this witness.  I know he has certain expertise which
    36        I will explore with him in due course when I cross-examine
    37        him, but I am not at all certain that I feel that he is
    38        qualified to give evidence about food safety.  We have had
    39        Mr. North who, obviously, was an expert called on behalf of
    40        the Defendants.  I am very cautious about this witness's
    41        capacity to give evidence on this topic.
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  I would disagree with Mr. Rampton.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know where you are going in relation
    46        to this?
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You said very shortly and then, well, not 
    51        really very shortly, and I think you probably could take it 
    52        very shortly.  I will bear in mind that there may well be 
    53        comment in due course as to the extent to which Dr. Long is
    54        an expert or no.  I am going to let you go on, but I think
    55        you could probably take it in headlines and then we will
    56        see if there is anything new really.
    57
    58   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  (To the witness):  I am just trying to get
    59        you to do the same thing you did with cattle as for pigs,
    60        but we do not have to repeat the basic explanations of, you

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