Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 12
1 often not very well described. It is what I would call the
2 sort of free-range idea when, perhaps, the sale of
3 so-called free range -- I use the word cautiously because
4 very often it is misleading, but at least it was a
5 marketing ploy -- it began to rise from a very small niche
6 to something that, for instance, you could start to buy
7 free range, so-called free range, products in supermarkets.
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9 Q. But in terms of slaughterhouses relevant to cattle and
10 pigs, when did the market considerations have any
11 significant effect on the design of slaughterhouses?
12 A. For those species, they came later when the
13 supermarkets particularly began to take an interest.
14 Marks & Spencer -----
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16 Q. When would that be?
17 A. I would say that was late 1980s.
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19 Q. The next section is all about unloading. You have said
20 quite a bit about unloading. If you just cast your eye
21 over that section. You are quite familiar with this, are
22 you?
23 A. I must confess that I have read it in the wee small
24 hours recently. I did read it all once upon a time.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I suggest is, if, having read it, you
27 have thought of something which you wish you had mentioned
28 yesterday, can you just tell us what it is, because it is
29 your evidence I am concerned with so far as this is
30 concerned.
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32 MR. MORRIS: It says here "Unloading problems", it talks about
33 the problem.
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35 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Have you had another look at this
36 overnight?
37 A. Yes, but not over this night. I looked at it a little
38 while back or a few days back. I think I have said already
39 in my evidence, I have dealt with the unloading and the
40 loading. All I can say ----
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I thought you have but I thought
43 Mr. Morris thought that perhaps you had not. If you think
44 you have said what you have to say about it -----
45 A. It is a persistent problem for which we have now more
46 evidence than there is actually in this.
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48 MR. MORRIS: It says here about the problems, in the middle
49 paragraph of 30, are particularly bad with double-deck and
50 multi-tier lorries. Are they still in use?
51 A. Yes. When you say "multi-deck", the animals we are
52 talking about -----
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We are not thinking of sheep.
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56 MR. MORRIS: That does not apply, but double-deck does that
57 apply to cattle?
58 A. Yes, to calves and cattle, adult cattle, and pigs.
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60 Q. I am not sure if we asked you, what is the welfare problem
