Day 113 - 03 Apr 95 - Page 31


     
     1        animals are -- drugs are used as surrogates for good
     2        keeping.  They are used as substitutes when one ought to
     3        clear up the problems without using drugs in this way.
     4        That is bad practice.
     5
     6        I mentioned to you, say, dairy cows in cubicles, kept
     7        inside at the present time, with the susceptibility to
     8        mastitis.  That has to be treated with antibacterial,
     9        things like penicillin, tetracyclines, streptomycin.
    10        Similarly, lameness is very often treated in that way.
    11        Animals get infected with worms.  Many of them, I should
    12        say -- there are many vaccines also that have to be used,
    13        some of them for parasitic infections.
    14
    15        There are diseases like brucellosis and tuberculosis, for
    16        instance, for which there are vaccinations.  But, generally
    17        speaking, I am coming on to problems on the skin.  Warbles
    18        is one possible one which is causing some concern at the
    19        moment because it is rampant on the Continent, I believe.
    20        Those sorts of diseases are treated -----
    21
    22   Q.   Sorry, this is warble fly?
    23        A.  Warble fly.
    24
    25   Q.   Are they the standard treatment for cattle?
    26        A.  Yes, for that sort of problem one resorts to things
    27        like organophosphorus compounds -- one can use other things
    28        which cost more -- or one can, one also has the problem
    29        with worms of one sort or another.  Helminth is a
    30        scientific word, that is, H-E-L-M-I-N-T-H.
    31
    32   Q.   You say for the treatment of warble fly -- sorry.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How are these administered?
    35        A.  Some are administered as pour-ons, some are
    36        administered by mouth and some are administered by
    37        injection.  If could I just answer that, the trouble with
    38        injection, quite often, is that farmers do not use clean
    39        needles, and so one gets an abscess with the injection, and
    40        then one has to use an antibiotic because the animal is
    41        infected.  So, that is a problem.
    42
    43   Q.   Are antibiotics routinely used as a way of dealing with
    44        infections, is that a standard response?
    45        A.  Well, there are two sorts of antibiotics.  I am now
    46        using the terminology of the Swan Committee.  There are
    47        antibiotics that are non-therapeutic and there are those
    48        that are used purely as growth promoters.  The ones that
    49        are used primarily as growth promoters are virginiamycin,
    50        bacitracin, avoparcin, flavomycin.  There may be others but 
    51        those, essentially, are growth promoters that are not much 
    52        used in medicine, and there is not much danger the Swan 
    53        Committee thought of multiresistance building up.  So,
    54        those are used just as growth promoters, production
    55        boosters.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment.  You said that there
    58        were two sorts of antibiotics; there were the
    59        non-therapeutic and those used purely as growth promoters.
    60        I am not sure that what is what you meant to say but that

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