Day 092 - 27 Feb 95 - Page 18

     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So you cannot detect the use of the hormone?
     3        A.  OK, in that part now, yes, that is a correct statement
     4        now.  The normal variation in meat will be between, let us
     5        say in this case, a billion and 500 to a million to a
     6        billion and 10,000 millions.  So, the normal variation is
     7        so wide -----
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     9   Q.   Yes, we understand that.  But you can find pesticide
    10        residues?
    11        A.  Yes, you can.  Those residues were found to be safe.
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    13   MR. MORRIS:  So going back to the hormones, obviously, the
    14        hormone treatment has an effect on the animal because it
    15        makes it grow big; that is why they are used, yes?
    16        A.  Yes, it does.
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    18   Q.   So is that how they tell a particular animal has had
    19        hormones or do they ask the farmers to say, did they use?
    20        A.  Yes, you cannot tell -- you cannot look at the animals
         and say it was implanted.
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    23   Q.   You have to ask the farmers, basically?
    24        A.  Yes.
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    26   Q.   That is how they knew?
    27        A.  You can also, you can look at some of the organs; you
    28        can look at the pancreas, you can look at the liver and
    29        find out whether or not the animal has been subjected to
    30        some hormone treatment.
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    32   Q.   These studies that were done, were they as a result of
    33        public controversy on these issues?  Is it because of
    34        public concern?
    35        A.  No, they were done at -- the trouble was that the
    36        industry, and it was also involved the National Cattlemen's
    37        Association, wanted to find out three things:  (1) where
    38        they are now today in relation to the pork and chicken
    39        industry, and from there find out where they want to go and
    40        be in the year 2001, and (3) was to define strategies to
         get there.
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    43   Q.   You said pork and chicken industry?
    44        A.  They wanted to -- the pressure from the pork and
    45        chicken industry competitively is very strong in most
    46        countries.  So, they wanted to see how can we better
    47        compete with chicken and pork meat.  That was the driver.
    48        That is what this study was conducted.
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    50   Q.   But you said it also related to cattle as well? 
    51        A.  It was done on cattle only, the study. 
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    53   Q.   So how did it relate to the pork and chicken industry?
    54        A.  They wanted to see how they can better compete with
    55        pork and chicken industry.
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    57   Q.   Oh, the cattle?
    58        A.  The cattle, yes.
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    60   Q.   Yes, I understand that.  So, had comparative studies been