Day 092 - 27 Feb 95 - Page 15

     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We heard evidence that the English supplier
     2        of beef patties for McDonald's takes only certain specific
     3        cuts.  Is that the same in the States or not?
     4        A.  No.  Usually, in Europe, especially in countries like
     5        Germany and in the UK, we have a limited number of cuts
     6        that we can use.  But our specifications, our global
     7        specifications, do not specify a specific cut.  We only
     8        specify that it is the muscle meats and there is several
     9        specifications that we do not use mature bulls, for
    10        instance, we do not use offals, we do not use organ meat,
    11        things of that nature, or additives.
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Bowes from McDonald's main pig supplier,
    14        I think it was him, who gave evidence here, said that ---
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  This is UK?
    17
    18   MR. MORRIS:  -- UK, sorry -- said that it was either one in
    19        eight or one in 12 -- maybe someone can remember -- that
    20        they calculated that for all the pigs killed in this
         country McDonald's took meat from about one out of every
    22        eight pigs.  Is that everyone's recollection?  It might
    23        have been one in 12, but something between one in eight and
    24        one in 12 pigs.  Have you ever calculated what percentage
    25        of actual pigs -- for example, pigs -- reared in the States
    26        McDonald's would get some portion?
    27        A.  No, I have not calculated that.
    28
    29   Q.   Have you done that calculation with cows or with steers and
    30        cows, cattle?
    31        A.  Yes, I have.  I have, if I remember from the last
    32        numbers, it was roughly (and this is one of the things that
    33        I have to tell you before I give you the number), there are
    34        different types of animals that are in the beef industry.
    35        We use primarily lean beef which is a different segment.
    36        We use very little of the grain fed animal.  That primarily
    37        goes to the primal cuts; that primarily goes for export
    38        too.  But, in general, over the available lean meat we use
    39        about 15, around 15 per cent.
    40
    Q.   Of the lean beef supplies?
    42        A.  Right.
    43
    44   Q.   Does that mean 50 per cent of the total volume?
    45        A.  15.
    46
    47   Q.   Does that mean 15 per cent of the total volume of actual
    48        meat or 15 per cent of every cow or steer raised by you?
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Explain again for Mr. Morris what the 15 per 
    51        cent represents. 
    52        A.  15 per cent of the available lean meat, that is, 
    53        boneless, it is after you take out the weight of the
    54        carcass of the live animal -----
    55
    56   Q.   From a specific animal or from all the lean beef produced
    57        in the US; that is what we need to know.
    58        A.  Right.  It is about 15 per cent.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  Of all lean beef?