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     2   Q.   I do not think so.
     3        A.  They may be thankfully decreasing, but there are still
     4        people who dispute that.  Decisions have, nonetheless, been
     5        taken.
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     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Shall we pause there?
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     9   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, yes.
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    11   MS. STEEL:  Before we close this, I do not know whether this
    12        matters or not, but at the end of the first page it does
    13        say:  "This article summarizes the discussion at the
    14        conference.  It must, however, be emphasised that while
    15        this is an attempt to identify faithfully key points that
    16        emerged during the discussion, the impressions presented
    17        here are this author's alone.  Others may have additional
    18        or different views of aspects of the discussion".
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    20   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I have said it before but I will say it
         again for Ms. Steel's benefit.  This document does not
    22        become evidence, and your Lordship is not entitled to say,
    23        "I find as a fact that the views expressed by Dr. Young
    24        are correct", except to the extent that Ms. Dibb is
    25        constrained to agree with them.  They may, of course, lead
    26        your Lordship to reject all or part of Ms. Dibb's evidence,
    27        because I test her evidence by reference to learned
    28        articles.  Ms. Steel need have no fear that I am entitled
    29        to turn to your Lordship at the end and say, "This is
    30        obviously the correct view because Dr. Brian Young is
    31        reported as having said so on a particular occasion".
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    33   MS. STEEL:  No, I am not making objection.  I thought it was
    34        worth while to point that out.
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will resume at 2 o'clock.
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    38                        (Luncheon adjournment)
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    40   MR. RAMPTON:  Ms. Dibb, I think one of the things you were
         telling us before the adjournment was in relation to this
    42        report of the views of Dr. Brian Young in 1990, that one
    43        must be cautious of attaching too much weight to the views
    44        and models propounded by academics; is that right, have
    45        I summarised that fairly?
    46        A.  Sorry, I put my documents away.
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    48   Q.   I am not going back to that particular paper.  I think you
    49        made a general observation -- I may be wrong; I tried to
    50        find it -- to the effect that what academics thought might 
    51        be interesting but, perhaps, was not a very useful guide to 
    52        how one should approach the question of advertising and 
    53        children in the real world; have I summarised that fairly
    54        or not?
    55        A.  I was referring to a conversation.
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    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The conversation was an illustration, was it
    58        not, of something like that?
    59        A.  It was really to illustrate the difference -- I will
    60        say it again -- between children's understanding of