Day 064 - 08 Dec 94 - Page 21

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just say, with respect, there are two
     2        matters:  There is the one of the detail which he says he
     3        knows nothing about, but there is also the one of the
     4        overall policy on the enforcement of checks or
     5        specifications on their suppliers.  Mr. Oakley is the best
     6        person in the country, if not in northern Europe, to talk
     7        about those matters which is -- I understand the point
     8        about the detail -----
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    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am going to stand by my ruling.  Make a
    11        note, Thursday morning, 8th December; if you are unhappy in
    12        the light of future evidence about it, you can raise it
    13        again.
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:   Can I just ask one question before Mr. Morris
    16        carries on:  The people from McDonald's who make checks on
    17        the farms and the slaughterhouses or whatever:  You were
    18        talking about Mrs. Crawford -- is she the only person that
    19        goes down?
    20        A.  I did not say she went to the farms.
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    22   Q.   I thought you did say on an occasion she went to the farms?
    23        A.  Well, she may have paid a visit from time to time; it
    24        is not part of her brief.
    25
    26   Q.   OK.  So they visit the slaughterhouses; is that right?
    27        A.  Again from time to time.  It is really as a check on
    28        what McKey are doing because it is the McKey responsibility
    29        to visit the farms and the slaughterhouses.
    30
    31   Q.   And in terms of Sun Valley?
    32        A.  Sun Valley is a little different, as I explained to you
    33        previously, because everything is within the one location.
    34
    35   Q.   Who goes down apart from I think you mentioned
    36        Mrs. Crawford?
    37        A.  Keith Kenny.
    38
    39   Q.   Right?
    40        A.  Who works for Mrs. Crawford.
    41
    42   Q.   Are they the only people that go down?
    43        A.  From the Quality Assurance Department, yes.  But in
    44        terms of the buying department, the buyer responsible would
    45        also go down -- I go down from time to time.
    46
    47   Q.   Do any of the people who make the visits have experience in
    48        the welfare of animals?
    49        A.  Mrs. Crawford does.
    50 
    51   Q.   What is her experience then? 
    52        A.  Well, I have told you just how diligent Mrs. Crawford 
    53        is when it comes to animal welfare.  She cares about it
    54        personally and professionally.
    55
    56   Q.   But in terms of actually -----
    57        A.  Is she qualified in animal welfare?  No.
    58
    59   Q.   But, I mean, what is her experience?  Is it just from
    60        making those visits or does she have some background