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     1        question is so hypothetical that I cannot really -----
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     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is a question of outright legality
     4        there, is there not?
     5        A.  Yes; legality so far as cigarettes are concerned, yes.
     6        It is a matter of interpretation.
     7
     8   Q.   Children under a certain age are not allowed to buy either
     9        cigarettes or alcohol; and, unbeknown to some people, you
    10        are not allowed to give alcoholic drinks to a child, even
    11        in your own home, under a certain age?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Most people do, but it is, in fact, against
    15        the law.
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  I did not know that.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is quite a young age; I think it is five,
    20        or something of that kind.
    21
    22   MS. STEEL:  Presumably, the showing of advertisements of
    23        cigarettes and alcohol during children's television is
    24        outlawed, because it is thought that it might influence the
    25        children to buy those products?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are talking not so much of children
    29        smoking or drinking, but just a cigarettes or an alcoholic
    30        drink appearing in any ad on children's advertising; not
    31        having adults smoking, or drinking beer, and so on?
    32
    33   MS. STEEL:  Perhaps you want to say what the regulations are?
    34        A.  No cigarettes may be shown on television -- in
    35        advertisements on television, anywhere.
    36
    37   Q.   What about alcohol?
    38        A.  Alcoholic drinks can be shown outside certain hours.
    39
    40   Q.   So not during children's television?
    41        A.  When, broadly speaking, you might expect that children
    42        would not be watching.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I understand the distinction.
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:  Does that go later than just children's television;
    47        is it after nine o'clock, or something like that?
    48        A.  I would have to check.  It is easy to establish that.
    49        For many product categories, there is what the ITC call a
    50        "watershed".  That applies to programmes and it applies to 
    51        advertisements.  That is normally, though not always, taken 
    52        as eight o'clock.  It is reckoned that most small-ish 
    53        children would be in bed by then -- pretty optimistic, but
    54        that is what is considered.  So the watershed is a point at
    55        which more explicit programmes may be shown, and certain
    56        categories of product may only be shown after the
    57        watershed.  It is an arbitrary line, but that is the way
    58        that is interpreted.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  Just going back to the influence on adults'

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