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     1        keep their animals or the pigs in totally free range
     2        conditions, and certainly not their chickens.
     3
     4   Q.   You have no evidence that McDonald's own any land in
     5        rainforest countries, do you?
     6        A.  Only from what McDonald's have said to me in a letter,
     7        which was that they use ex-rainforest land in the countries
     8        where the actual stores are in countries where there are
     9        rainforests.
    10
    11   Q.   Ex-rainforest land can mean anything up to 500 years ago in
    12        Central America, can it not?
    13        A.  In the letter, they said to me -- I asked how many
    14        years they meant, and it was a very vague answer.  They did
    15        not give a specific answer.
    16
    17   Q.   The film showed people cutting down large trees in the
    18        rainforest, did it not?
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    21   Q.   Nothing about land that was, once upon a time, rainforest
    22        land in certain parts of the world; that distinction was
    23        not made in the film, was it?
    24        A.  The whole concern of the film is the rainforests that
    25        are being destroyed now, because there is only about
    26        50 years or so to save them.  It is trying to give people
    27        information to maybe do something about it.
    28
    29   Q.   I can understand what you say that people should be
    30        concerned about it, perhaps, (a) if you had any evidence
    31        for what you said and, (b) if you had not decided to name
    32        two of McDonald's products in the course of that film.  I
    33        do not understand why you bothered to do it, if you have no
    34        evidence to connect McDonald's with those allegations?
    35        A.  Well, the whole film is talking about the general cause
    36        of eating animal products on a massive scale, and
    37        McDonald's are a part of that.  I mean, nobody can deny
    38        that.
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:   McDonald's customers, Ms. Gallatley, yes, we
    41        can----
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just make a point, that Mr. Rampton said
    44        something as fact which was not fact, which is that those
    45        products were connected with the things that he had asked
    46        Ms. Gallatley about.  It is my recollection that the Big
    47        Mac reference was relating to animal feed and hunger, in
    48        general.
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  My question was: what are the McDonald's products 
    51        doing in that film? 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  Again, if reliance is placed----
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I can remember it perfectly well.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  (To the witness)  I do not understand why
    58        McDonald's products are in that film?
    59        A.  Well, firstly, I do not agree that the Chicken
    60        McNuggetts were specifically named as McDonald's, but, even

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