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     1        cross-examination I, personally, do not mind Ms. Steel or
     2        Mr. Morris talking to Ms. Gallatley before they re-examine.
     3
     4   MR. RAMPTON:  The other thing I wondered was, if Mr. Hill cannot
     5        make the tape work on our machine, whether Ms. Gallatley
     6        could actually help us get a visible copy of the video
     7        tape?  I appreciate that she is no longer with
     8        The Vegetarian Society, but I gather it might still be
     9        being shown in schools and, presumably, in a form in which
    10        people can look at it.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us wait and see what comes from it.
    13
    14                         (Short adjournment)
    15
    16   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, we have not got it back at the beginning,
    17        but we will carry on.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  (To the witness)  I was going to say can you
    20        see it, but I assume you are totally familiar with it?  So
         let us play it.
    22
    23                    (The video tape was then played)
    24
    25   MR. RAMPTON:  Ms. Gallatley, you call that an educational film;
    26        is that right?
    27        A.  Yes, that is correct.
    28
    29   Q.   Have you any children of your own?
    30        A.  No, I have not.
    31
    32   Q.   You show that to what age of child?
    33        A.  14 to 18.
    34
    35   Q.   You expect them, do you, to accept the statements made and
    36        implied in that film as being truthful and accurate?
    37        A.  Well, you expect them to debate it with you and
    38        certainly to stimulate a debate, which is often why the
    39        schools ask you to show the video.
    40
    Q.   Do you agree with me that the film implied that the animals
    42        shown at the beginning being slaughtered were actually
    43        feeling pain at the time when they were shown having their
    44        throats cut?
    45        A.  That particular animal was fully conscious when it was
    46        being slaughtered.
    47
    48   Q.   You do not see some general statement made there about the
    49        conditions under which animals in slaughterhouses die?
    50        A.  Sorry.  I do not understand. 
    51 
    52   Q.   You do not agree that there is a general statement implied 
    53        about the conditions under which animals die in
    54        slaughterhouses?
    55        A.  I think the conditions that are shown at the end of the
    56        film, where the cow was being shown, where the blood was
    57        coming out the throat, is the general conditions of how
    58        animals are killed -- cows are killed, I should say, not
    59        all animals.
    60