Day 049 - 09 Nov 94 - Page 19
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Ask a question without suggesting what you
2 think it is that she is saying, because answers to
3 questions put in that way are bound to carry less weight
4 than if it is volunteered by the witness, herself.
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6 MS. STEEL: I understand that.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Think about how you might express it. I
9 think I understand, in any event. If there is something
10 more, just ask a straightforward question about it.
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12 MS. STEEL: I am not really sure how to ask, to be honest.
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14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: On this occasion, then, you suggest it,
15 rather than being stuck as to how to put the matter.
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17 MS. STEEL: (To the witness) You have mentioned about Happy
18 Nuggetts in your statement, and you have talked about the
19 fun side of things in the advertisements that is portrayed.
20 (Pause) I am trying not to do it in a leading way.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have said that I have given up on you being
23 able to pose the question in what would be a strictly
24 proper way. Just say what it is that you think the witness
25 ought to be saying which she has not said, if you know what
26 I mean. Whether it will carry much weight with me when it
27 comes out, I do not know, but if that is the only way do it
28 this way, rather than possibly make a difference between
29 Ms. Gallatley getting back to Yorkshire and not getting
30 back to Yorkshire before lunch.
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32 MS. STEEL: (To the witness) The Happy Nuggetts and the fun
33 side of things, do you think that that encourages children
34 to think that the products are happy to be -- well, what is
35 the impression that is being given by that?
36 A. You mean by the Chicken Nuggetts, in particular?
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38 Q. For example, yes.
39 A. It depends on the child and the age group that is
40 actually seeing them. For the younger child, they probably
41 would not even question that the Chicken Nuggetts were made
42 of birds at all. It would just be a product like any
43 other. They do not really see meat as being animals, at
44 all.
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46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think it is being suggested to you that
47 because the Chicken McNuggetts are happy little people,
48 they are happy to be eaten by you when you go in?
49 A. I was going to say that. I think, with older children,
50 that can be the case, that if you are continually showing
51 children -- it may not be nuggetts, it may be, you know,
52 the "bock bock" chicken that is very happy to be eaten and
53 is practically telling you it is happy to be eaten -- yes,
54 of course that encourages children to think that those
55 products positively want to be eaten.
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57 MS. STEEL: But there is no problem?
58 A. Because the ads do not give any indication of what the
59 problems are behind the mass product of animal products,
60 anyway, then of course the children do not know there is
