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     1        specific item, as in the same fashion one would refer to a
              vacuum cleaner in Great Britain as a hoover; styrofoam is
     2        used to refer to a particular type of product.  In this
              case what we were referring to specifically was the foam
     3        food package.
 
     4   Q.   I think you have covered part of this, but just a little
              more on how the McToxics campaign originated.  I think you
     5        had a series of meetings which started in November 1986;
              is that right?
     6        A.  That is correct.  The meetings came under the heading
              Solid Waste Action Project and, as I have said, were
     7        related to the assembly of local community leaders who
              were concerned about or affected by disposal issues in
     8        their own back yards, such as landfills, such as garbage
              incinerators or hazardous waste incinerators.  So these
     9        meetings were assembled to establish and find ways to
              establish common ground from both the disposal of
    10        hazardous waste and solid waste issues among these
              different groups.
    11
              In essence, the foam campaign was essentially related to
    12        an effort by local community activists, by local
              communities groups, as an effort to link in the public
    13        mind the issues of manufacturing and disposal.  So that
              when we deal with a particular product, when we think
    14        about in the public sense a particular product, we
              understand that we are not just talking about the use of
    15        the product in the middle of its life-span, but we are
              also talking about the manufacturing process that goes on
    16        at the beginning of the product's life-span, as well as an
              understanding of problems associated with that product
    17        once it has passed its useful lifetime.
 
    18        To summarise, the idea was to bring this kind of issue
              into the public view and McDonald's, as a result of its
    19        own profligate use of foam food packaging, came to be the
              target because of its widely recognised name, its use
    20        through advertising of the foam food packaging and the
              identification of this particular type of foam packaging
    21        as an extremely useless and somewhat dangerous product.
 
    22   Q.   You may have mentioned this -- sorry, I am finding it
              hard; obviously I am not very experienced at this.
    23
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The reason I asked is unless, there may be
    24        some objection from Mr. Rampton, there is, I would not
              mind the witness having his statement, which we have a
    25        copy of, in front of him and you taking him to the
              statements which are made.  You can then ask if you want 
    26        him to elaborate on it.  Would there be any objection to 
              that?  It is up to you. 
    27
         MISS STEEL:  We are actually fairly all right.  It is just
    28        sometimes, because I am nervous, I might miss some of what
              he said, so I may get him to repeat something twice.
    29
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you basically going to go through the
    30        order in the statement?
 

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