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In Reply to: So in fact, communism leads to fascism. posted by DonS on October 26, 1999 at 10:56:27:

: Fascism is in fact very similar to communism.

OK facism is a system that enshrines the values of unbridaled competition and victory.

Communism is a system in which the free development of each is the precondition to the free development of all.

:Both communism and fasicism involve a powerful government that crushes the rights of individuals.

Facism's organisational principles revolve around the need for victory there is no other criteria by which to judge it, the flange, 'long live death' faction from the 1980's Italy, the 'political soldiers' and the World Churches and Klans of American White Power now shune the state infavour of 'leaderless resistance' (more ideas stolenc from the left).

Communism has a strange relationship with the state, some communists are completely anti-state, like Kropotkin, while others appear to favour at one moment a powerful central authority, Marx or Blanqui, and the next a federation of decentralised local administrations, Marx in his address on the commune.

:Fascism is worse, because it actually works.

In what way does it work? The facist axis lost the war, a war fought against the supposedly inferior democracies, this stands as an example of the complete unworkability of facism, by their own criteria, that is 'national victory' they have failed. Modern facism is actually liberalised facism because they seek an international consensus in racist or sectarian politics rather than the militant position of national war, victory and imperial dominance.

:Communism cannot work

Every functioning family unit is an example of successful communism.

:and folds into a fascist or quasi-fascist system, like in the PRC and former USSR.

Oh I see you are completely and utterly politically ignorant!! You no doubt have scrutinised primary sources on communist, written by communists themselves and not just secondary propagandist sources like neo-liberal "Reason" or the like? No, well fine.

:So in fact, communism leads to fascism.

Are you surprised that your simplistic ideological dogma has left me unconvinced?

: : This was said by Berthold Brecht, the famous Czech playwright, who had experience with capitalism, fascism, and communism. he escaped Nazi persecution in hsi native Czechoslovakia, then escaped McCarthy's persecution in America and sought political asylum in East Germany, where he ended his life.

: It is fitting that he ended his life after finding "political asylum" in East Germany.

And by this you mean?

Follow Ups:

• The United States of FDR was basically fascist. DonS USA October 27 1999 (24)
  • Silly FDR... Who needed an end to the great depression, anyway? Aleph October 31 1999 (1)
    • FDR made the great depression longer DonS USA November 03 1999 (0)
  • Where did you read this? Lark October 28 1999 (9)
    • The above is simply propaganda. DonS USA October 28 1999 (8)
      • Hitler was helped into office by wealthy cartels Lark October 29 1999 (7)
        • He did not leave to a better society--he left to a pathetic one. DonS USA October 31 1999 (6)
          • Fascism is NOT an economical system, it is a political one under the economic system of capitalism Kweassa the Great March November 03 1999 (0)
          • you can talk about civil war some of us live it. Lark November 01 1999 (4)
            • I'm sorry if I caused you distress DonS USA November 03 1999 (0)
            • The only thing he knows about me is my beliefs DonS USA November 01 1999 (2)
              • I was anticipating what kind of action you would take when I made that assertion lark November 03 1999 (1)
                • you are confirming my *dogma* that commies are bloody butchers. DonS USA November 05 1999 (0)
  • Um, A little clarification if you don't mind? Kweassa the Great March October 28 1999 (11)
    • Fascism is the system where the government controls industry. DonS USA October 28 1999 (10)
      • You're kidding, right? Kweassa the Great March October 28 1999 (7)
        • Socialists are not fascists. DonS USA October 29 1999 (5)
          • Oh, I see Kweassa the Great March October 31 1999 (4)
            • To date, the US is more fascist than capitalist. DonS USA November 03 1999 (0)
            • Fascism is not the *only* system that allows government control over industry DonS USA November 03 1999 (2)
              • Here's the irony Kweassa the Great March November 05 1999 (1)
                • The class-exploitation part is political. DonS USA November 15 1999 (0)
        • Allow me to slip a knife in, Kweassa MDG USA October 29 1999 (0)
      • East germany Nikhil Jaikumar DSA MA, USA October 28 1999 (1)
        • You think most people would want to live someplace with a *wall* to keep them in? Don USA October 28 1999 (0)