: : JJ: The rest is good, though. I grew up in a lower-third income family myself and feel much of what you have voiced.
: : Qx: What the hell is that? Are you of working class origins or not?JJ: Yes, so what.
Qx: Class analysis is indispensable. And it's no use quibbling with rightwing bombast that it isn't.
JJ: Social class goes far beyond the simplistic 'wage relation' theses; make no mistake such worker/capitalist analysis simply is based upon your individual value judgements and opinions and not some objective, self-evident standard.
Qx: Let's see ....the rich folks live on the hill with far more than they really need and the rest of society lives elsewheres. Ever heard of neighborhoods?
: : JJ: Problem is, our values and culture are screwed up and no economic system is going to change taht.
: : Qx: So you advocate giving up and then ingratiating yourself with Public Choice Theory. Just great.
JJ: You're presuming some objective moral standard. Public Choice Theory is a descriptive analysis of how people act in pursuing their own standards of value. Again, fully admit taht I moralize based upon my particular viewpoint, and you do the exact same thing.
Qx: AT least it's done with some critical thinking. Keep in mind that I used to be a rightwinger. That's until I wised up. I saw how people worshipped Reagan and I knew then that it was wrong. About twenty years later I don't regret shedding rightwing garbage. Especially neo-classical economics and Public Choice Theory that trails along as excess baggage.
If there is an objective moral standard it should include such things as the environment and yes...people who are kicked around due to corporate excess and the United States foreign policy that supports that corporate excess.
JJ: The difference is I fully admit that I come from a particular viewpoint while you don't.
Qx: Of course, you haven't taken much time out to read my postings and I mean all of them. I recommend that you do that before you erect yet another straw man.
: : JJ: Only by living our lives in accord with sound moral judgement as individuals responsible to ourselves, others, and society in general will things turn out allright.
: : Qx: Sounds like a bit of collectivist ethos mixed in with a dash of millenial anxiety. Existentialists would refer to this as "living in bad faith". Best of luck in your next re-incarnation.
JJ: Well, I don't truck with existentialism. It's the radical individualist offshoot of Hegelianism. Again, as I posted further up the board, you seem to have seriously difficulty following a conversation. Maybe you could brush up on your reading comprehension.
Qx:" Oh, I read alright but your amateurish debating tactics are just what I like to shred you with.
