D: : Who did he execute? The Socialists, trade unionists, anarchists, communists.JJ: Yes, and Crips executed Bloods. This doesn't mean the Bloods possessed redeeming qualities.
Qx: You're using a really dumb analogy here. Dingo is talking about a political struggle that resulted in a pruge and you're trying to use American crime scenery as a parallel.
D: : the nazi party was insignificant before this, the "Socialistic", read state collectivists, elements where executed as traitors to the nazi cause.
JJ: Hmmm, you are beginning to trail off.
Qx: No he's not. You should start reading about Otto and Gregor Strasser before you claim that he is trailing off.
D: : This involved executing a number of his close associates but it didnt matter to hitler.
JJ: What is "it" referring to. If you mean killing his own friends I fail to see how this advances your argument.
Qx: Yes, it does advance his argument. Even if Roehm, the Strasser brothers and other members of the SA were friends they were also politically expedient. Hitler wanted the full co-operation of German industrialists so he opened up the SS to members of nobility and the SS thus grew in numbers as the SA waned in power to virtually nil after the Night of the Long Knives.
D: : Incidentally most Nazi's will argue with you they arent socialists and favour the economic system the pusedo-libertarians faovur only with a militarised state to ensure compliance form the proletariat.
JJ: No, you're right. Nazi's (generally)are utilitarian nationalists who seek to maximize their political advantage by dividing up the populace into those they can use and those they must forcefully subjugate.
Qx: So far so good on this one. Let's see how the rest goes.
Do you think I'd be so crazy as to destroy German heavy industry? Those producers worked their way to the top by their own merits, and, because of this process of selection, which proves that they are an elite, they have a right to lead! --Adolf Hitler to Otto Strasser,
October 1930. Quoted in Helmut Heiber, Adolf Hitler, (Berlin, 1960) p68
JJ: Private property is vastly more productive than public property (this is an empirically proven fact)and, thus, provides more utility.
Qx: Now that is typical neo-classical economics (feigned capitalism) at it's most apologetic. You're simply spouting a social construct and so it would be best if you could provide evidence for this aggrandizement.
Qx: That is really dependent on the social conditions at the time.
D:: While Nazis are consolidating their rule private industry is an attractive tool for mollifying the general public.
Qx: As soon as they achieve power Nazis begin setting up quasi-feudal arrangements, with the "capitalists" acting as dukes and barons administering their estates. Surprisingly, if Nazis overcome their propensity towards aggression they settle down and eventually lead quite productive regimes. See Spain and Chile.
Qx: Uh-oh
JJ: Feudal economic arrangements are better at producing the greatest good for the greatest number better than completely collectivized arrangements. The main problem seems to be the odious propensity towards ethnic and racial hatred.
Qx: Time to read about true libertarian eonomics and not the Milton Freidman swill. But if you want to persuade anybody about the feudal bit look ,a href ="http://www.progress.org/progs/wwwboard/wwwboard.html">no further.
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