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A bigger challenge for ALL Creationists

Posted by: Deep Dad Nine on September 07, 1999 at 22:37:59:

In Reply to: A small challenge, Shaun. posted by Farinata on September 07, 1999 at 13:37:16:

I'd like to restate Farinata's challenge in broader terms.

Feel free to correct any innaccuracies, but isn't the concept of 'natural selection' more or less as follows:

1) Shit happens.
2) When it happens it sometimes effects organisms detrimentally
3) The more detrimental such shit is to an organism, the shorter that organism's lifespan will tend to be.
4) Since an organism can't reproduce when it is dead, organisms that are effected detrimentally are less likely to reproduce, and organisms that are NOT effected detrimentally are MORE likely to reproduce.


Is seems to me that this is more of an innocent observation of reality than it is a scientific theory that requires proof. Stronger organisms live longer and hence tend to have more sex. No? Isn't that simply a mathematical probabilistic fact? How can anyone rationally refute such an observation or even claim that such a fact has no signifigant impact on why things are the way they are at any given point in time? How do the creationists get around such common sense and then call themselves "scietific"?

And why do creationist think that their creationist model of life is more compatible with the concept of "God"? Isn't "God", to them, an infinite being. How do they, as finite beings, presume to know what an infinite being's intelligence will look like when it unfolds in creation?

And if we were to attempt to compare the degree of intelligence and creativity inherent in both models of creation, doesn't a living, breathing, ever-changing, self-correcting biology smack more of an intelligent, creative design than a dead, stagnant, inflexible, unadaptable biology? As an ex-software developer, I can state without question that a programmer who writes programs that can rewrite THEMSELVES is considered a god compared to a programmer who can not. Why would an infinite intelligence create a system that it had to constantly manually modify at the DNA level if, instead, it could create a system that could modify itself? In this regard the Creationists seem to be calling God "stupid".


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