: DDN: You and Darya keep saying this over and over and I keep disproving it by pointing out over and over again that christianity does not tolerate ANYTHING accept itself. When are you going to address this point? Ever? I’ll make the point again for the 4th or 5th time: : A fundamental tenet of Christianity is that ALL followers of ALL other religions are going to burn in hell for all eternity when they die because they are not Christians (i.e.have not accepted Christ as the one true path to salvation, become born again, etc.). This is what you yourself Shaun have exlpained to me in previous posts. Also, just by claiming to be Christian, by definition, you must hold this belief.
: Are you retracting this position by ignoring your previous statements and harping on and on about how tolerant and accepting you are? According to you and your Christian beliefs, is every non-christian going to eternal hell when they die or not? Pretty simple question Shaun. You’ve already said that they ARE going to hell. I’m giving you a chance to change your mind here. What’s it gonna be? Yes or No. Come on. Where’s your balls? Why don’t you just answer the question?
I have said it before and I'll say it again. All people who have accepted Jesus as thier Savior and who's sins are forgiven will be in heaven. People who's sins are not forgiven are not. Just because a large percentage of the people on this Earth die without ever having thier sins forgiven does not mean I can't be nice to them. I would not make fun of someone just because they are not a Christian but I would still treat them like a brother or sister. Most of the people I associate with are not Christians but I treat them with respect. It is this way with most Christians
: DDN: Come again? How am I being intolerant.
You make fun of Christians in every one of your posts. At leat I'm not going around calling everyone else stupid.
:The main point I’m trying to establish in this thread is that your belief that all people, beside christians, are going to hell when they die is a highly a intolerant position and anyone that maintains this position cannot truthfully claim to be an accepting, tolerant person.
: It’s a pretty reasonable point, isn’t it? How am I being intolerant by making this point?
I never said anyone of other religions is going to hell. I said anyone who is not saved (accepted Jesus as Savior) is. My friend is Jewish but he believes in Jesus and is saved. Anyone can be saved no matter who you are.
: It seems to me that the only thing I’m truly being intolerant of is your refusal to address this blatent contradiction you have presented: On one hand you believe everyone who does not share your particular religious beliefs about christ is going to burn in hell forever, but, on the other hand, you say you are a tolerant person who is respectful of other religions. Can’t you see why I would be confused by this??!
No because I still would treat everyone as I would like to be treated no matter what thier beliefs. Don't you? Probably not, since your not a Christian
: Come on, Shaun. Clear this up for us and stop blaming me for a mess YOU created.
I created? YOU were the one who even started this thread (and thread entitled "Christians on LSD" and "Deep Dad in Wonderland" pretending to want to know what Christianity was like when you really just wanted to screw around with people's beliefs and cause trouble. You came to me with a question and I answered it.
: Go ahead, HAVE a nervous breakdown. You NEED one. You WISH I was just picking on religion in general. I invite everyone to go read the post Shaun is referring to:
: and see for themselves that the only thing I’m bashing in that post is CHRISTIANITY – and doing a damn fine job of it if I don’t say so myself. My opinions on atheism in this thread clearly point out that I am NOT one. I “believe in God” as much as the next guy AND to the extent to which this expression can be meaningfully defined. I didn’t say squat about hinduism except to point out that christianity does not “tolerate and accept” hinduism and that Ghandi technically put his foot in his mouth by saying christianity was valid when christianity declares hinduism to be INVALID.
Wel I'm sure a Hindu just loves to hear you say Ghandi is wrong.
: Shaun, as a christian, is the only one of the two of us that has expressed any intolerance for non-christian religious beliefs. Exmaples: “There is no way to heaven accept through Jesus [christianity]”, “Everyone that’s not going to heaven is going to hell”, etc.
: I’ve questioned Darya’s conviction to the Christian faith, now I think its time to openly question Shaun’s.
: Shaun: How deep is your faith in Christainity if, when confronted with biblical contradictions like the one’s you have helped me present, instead of standing up to them you “turn tail” and try to align yourself with the hellbound, non-christian religions of the world?
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Firstly, I never presented any biblical contradiction. And secondly I never aligned myself with anyone. All I said was that you were intolerant towards anyone with a religious faith whether it be the Christian faith or not.
: DDN:What are christian missionaries doing all over the world? Being tolerant and respectful of other peoples religions? Not hardly. Their trying to displace their religions completely with Christianity, aren’t they?
: Shaun (cont):.....Are Christians the only ones who have missionaries all over the world?
: DDN: That’s not the point, shaun, and you know it. The point is that sending missionaries all over the world to displace the religions of other cultures can hardly be classified as “respectful and tolerant of other religions” as you claim christianity to be. Your claim of “tolerance and respect” is errant – THAT’S the point. Do you agree that your claim is errant or not? No? Why not?
The point is, Christianity is not the only faith with missionaries. Christians are all over the world because they are sharing the good news to everyone, that Jesus loves them.
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: DDN:
: 1) Jehova’s witnesses ARE Christians. Just ask them. They SAY that they are. That was enough proof for you to believe that Darya was a Christian – it ought to be enough for Jehova’s witnesses whose entire lifestyles are centered around selected verses from the bible.
I can write a book on how Jehovah's wittnesses are not Christians. A guy at my job is a devout JW and since I'm a Christian we talk a lot about these things. We get along pretty good too but anyway he has told me that although they consider thier religion a branch of Christianity, many don't like calling themselves Christians because they don't like to be confused with or associated with Catholics and Protestants. Basically there are 4 branches of Christianity: Catholicism, Protestantism, Orthodox (which I think is closely related to Catholicism but I'm not too sure) and the "Christian cults" such as Jehovahs wittnesses, Mormons, Scientologists etc... Thier not really Christians, but cults that are loosely based on some biblical doctrine.
: 2) Mormons are followers of Jesus Christ also and hence are technically christians. I’m sure they call themselves christians ALSO, don’t they?
To be honest I don't know what they do believe (except that its good to marry many people at once) but I do know that they don't believe in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity that Protestants and Catholics do. Therefore, they are not Christians.
: 3) The Hairy Fishnuts aren’t, to my knowledge, aren’t dispensing anything other than flowers. And, although they probably engage in some sort of recruiting activities, I’m not aware of their involvement in any mass geneocide operations or damning everyone to hell eternal that doesn’t worship Krishna.
I'm not sure of thier beliefs either, only that they do try to win people to Krishna
: 4) Muslims? I have to admit ignorance on this one. But if they are as aggressive and intolerant as christians then sure, let’s cut them off at the knees ALSO.
Well, lets put it this way. I think Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA, yet it hardly has anything to do with middle eastern immigrants moving here. Most of our immigrants today are coming from Latin America, so you would think that Catholicism is the fastest growing (since most people in Latin America are Catholic)but it's not.
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: Shaun (cont): …..Yet in your eyes Christians are the only ones who are wrong for sharing thier faith aren't they?
: 1) Are you aware that you’ve just stated that christians are wrong for sharing their faith?
No because I said "in your eyes" Maybe you didn't see that part. I don't think Christians are wrong for sharing but you do
: 2) I agree that they are wrong for sharing their faith to the degree that such “sharing” violates the rights of others and carries with it the threat of burning in hell forever if the “sharing” is rejected. Christianity stands head and shoulders above all other world religions combined in this regard.
Telling somebody that Jesus wants to save them is not violating thier rights. If sharing the gospel is violating someones rights, then my rights are violated everytime a non believer tells me I'm wrong. If this is the case then athiests and agnostics are the biggest rights violators since they go out of thier way to tell Christians how stupid they are
: DDN: They should BOTH get fired. The atheist for preaching HIS religious views to someone else’s kids and the Christian for doing the same. The state already has way too much control over the minds of our children, I certainly don’t want them to become responsible for their SPIRITUAL views as well. Fire both teachers, shut down their classrooms, and send the kids home an hour early.
Now if you'll excuse me, It's 2am and I would like to go to bed.
