G'day mate, comrade, brother, sister, etc etc: : If 'he' exists outside time (as we know it) 'he' also exists outside of space, so why a BIG being? That's what churches teach to scare you 'big and scary male god'. Why not small and even female???
: Oh a small and female God, just my type (I can feel my dention in Purgatory rising as I type). Well historically the use of the Virgin Mary in Catholic Lore was to counter that employed by pagans EG the ancient celts worshiped female gods, nature I think was female.
So why the change from female gods? The image is related to the power of the man, as he gained power through history he became the god. I don't like the 'Virgin Mary' that's an anti-female type ideology. We all come from sex and hopefully the woman enjoyed it.
: : And they were probably on drugs which is well documented in human knowledge of history, but they didn't call them drugs back then
: Well they where partial to a lot of drink, there's something you better not mention to the pious followers of Mammon worshiping Babylon, I mean Jesus turned the water to wine, strong, mature wine and the apostles where "heavy with sleep" at the Garden before Jesus' arrest EG pisses as farts.
Yes so do we take what they've written as gospel (pun intended).
: : What? It's a constant battle of science against god and each discovery has caused a modification of religious doctrine - you can check that with history books.
: I dont think so, I know that religion has been reluctant to acknowledge that science has any kind of a role to play but I dont see them as opponents.
I don't either. However I think you're wrong on the relationship and good example is the discovery that we orbit the sun and that the world isn't flat.
: :So that evolution is so undisputed that neo-religious types are modifying their doctrine to include it.
: Well I'm not really modifying my doctrine, it's always been that way.
Eventually religious teachings catch up and accept scientific discoveries. Evolution was fought against for a long time and is still being fought against. You and I have been bought up with it.
: :And even with God, why would 'he' intervene in evolution if he created it? Not only earth is evolving either everything we've discovered is, as far as we can see into space it's evolving.
: I mean the evolutionary process is intensional, not a chaotic mistake like some scientists would insist, evolution was created by God.
But it is chaoic by nature (here as well as in space) even if by god.
: : : Good question, if someones wrong I point it out.
: : I don't claim god why should they or you. We should keep our feet on the ground and worry about that.
: Well I like God, I like the whole vision etc. I also believe other things though and my personal version of Christianity (while I'm officially a practising Catholic) is a version of Celtic beliefs where the type of delusional otherness your talking about is a complete foreign body, the spirit world runs paralell to this one and at points and times they meet. Terrible wars in this world between good and evil are reflections of wars in the spirit world.
: Right I'll stop before everyone runs away laughing or screaming.
I'm only smiling.
: :I don't believe in this god, no way, why should I? I believe in life, love, the sun and the earth which I can feel; why complicate that with delusions and force them on others!
: Well, you dont have to believe in God because he obviously believes in you since he has blessed you with a great awareness of social, political and ecological issues.
: God's not a delusion but the traditional patriarchal God of meaness that justifies evil Capitalism and hierarchy is a delusion. As for forcing them on others I dont think that's what any God wants.
Well I agree a bit and I admit to being a catholic and, many years ago, an alter boy! Nowadays I'm more partial to Celtic and Pagan beliefs and Wica, and of course science. My girlfriend (must be of irish decent - Ms Leahy) has many books on these subjects and they're very interesting.
Peace be with you.
