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1 Q. Turn please --
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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Am I to understand that answer, you are
4 saying that Ms. Steel and Mr. Morris did not take any part
5 in the anti-McDonald's campaign? Or I have misunderstood
6 you?
7 A. Well, by "any part", they were not, as I can remember,
8 involved in organising. I mean, Dave was not coming to
9 meetings by 1989, '90. He was only coming to meetings
10 rarely. He was not talking about McDonald's. One of his,
11 one of the points he made regularly was that the group
12 should be campaigning on a broad range of issues. Now,
13 Helen did take part in the anti-McDonald's demonstration in
14 1989. So if you want to say, include that as being part of
15 the campaign, yes. But, you know, she was no -- I mean, no
16 way was this a group effort. My involvement in it was on a
17 totally different level to anyone else's in the group. I
18 was the anti-McDonald's campaign.
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20 I know it is difficult to believe that a campaign could be
21 run really just through one person, but I know other
22 examples of this as well. We always like to think of
23 things as being run by a team of people getting around
24 tables, planning things, doing things, but in reality it
25 was not like that. It was my idea.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: How many people attended the picket on 16th
28 October 1989?
29 A. I do not remember accurately.
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31 Q. 25?
32 A. Something around there, yes.
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34 Q. So you were not on your own, were you?
35 A. No.
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37 Q. No. Can you turn, please, to page 113 of the agent's
38 notes, which is notes made, or a report made by Mr. Russell
39 of a meeting at Endsleigh Street on 26th April, 1993, which
40 you will see from page 112, you were at the meeting, Mr.
41 Gravett, and so was Mr. Morris. If you look at page 113
42 under "International Mail Out"?
43 A. Yes.
44
45 Q. Just read to yourself those couple of paragraphs, please.
46 (Pause)
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Which page were you saying?
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50 MR. RAMPTON: 113, my Lord. The paragraph at the bottom of the
51 page 2 is a paragraph headed "International Mail Out".
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53 Now, Mr. Gravett, do you still say that Mr. Morris was not
54 in the least bit interested in the anti-McDonald's
55 campaign?
56 A. Well, I do not remember the meeting. I do not
57 remember what was said, but from what was put here, all I
58 can say was that he was certainly wrong when he stated it
59 would include the customary fact sheet, because the
60 "International Mail Out", to the best of my knowledge, did
