Day 259 - 10 Jun 96 - Page 05
1 checking it?
2 A. No. I did check it. I missed it.
3
4 Q. You say that on this picket in 1989 you observed me for
5 eight minutes. What about Mr. Gravett?
6 A. I saw him -----
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8 Q. But how long did you observe him for?
9 A. Well, he was out of the cow -- or half out of the
10 cow -- outfit. Four, five minutes; not very long. I just
11 wanted to see him there, to see what he was doing.
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13 Q. Right. So you observed him for four or five minutes, but
14 you did not see him hand out any leaflets?
15 A. No. My memory is that he certainly had some leaflets
16 in his hand, but when I saw him he was talking to someone.
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18 Q. So you observed him for four or five minutes, but you did
19 not see him hand out any leaflets?
20 A. No. I just presumed, as he was holding leaflets, that
21 that is what he was doing.
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23 Q. I mean, you thought Mr. Gravett was the main organiser, did
24 you not?
25 A. No, no. You must get this right. Special Branch had
26 said that you and Mr. Gravett were two of the organisers,
27 and they identified you to me. But I did not know.
28 I mean, I had that to prove, and that is what I took the
29 agencies for.
30
31 Q. That absolutely was not your view of the demo, that myself
32 and Mr. Gravett were the organisers?
33 A. No. I said there was sufficient evidence that you were
34 involved, but there was no evidence to indicate that you
35 were exercising any kind of control on that occasion. As
36 far as I am concerned, you spent most of the time that
37 I saw you holding a banner.
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39 Q. Or that we organised it?
40 A. I had no evidence that you had organised it.
41
42 Q. I want to ask you a question about something that is in the
43 publication bundle, yellow 2.
44 A. Yes.
45
46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just pause a moment . (Pause) Yes.
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48 MS. STEEL: If you turn to tab -- actually, I do not know what
49 tab it is. It is the statement of Jack Russell.
50 A. Jack Russell? I have got it numbered at 6.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
53
54 MS. STEEL: It is number 5 in mine.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is 6?
57 A. Yes.
58
59 MS. STEEL: If you look at paragraph 6 of Mr. Russell's
60 statement, he says: "Towards the end of the meeting" --
