Day 250 - 15 May 96 - Page 36

     
     1        to say, 'Can you photograph people who are handing out this
     2        fact sheet'?
     3        A.  No.  I just said get photographs of as many people on
     4        the demonstration as possible.  The people who were handing
     5        out the leaflets were doing to me nothing more than the
     6        people who were standing with the banners.  I was
     7        interested in the people who belonged to the organisation.
     8        I did not go there, and I did not ask them to photograph
     9        people handing out leaflets.  That was not the kind of
    10        distribution I was thinking about.
    11
    12   Q.   According to you, Mr. Nicholson, you already knew who you
    13        considered to be the organisers?
    14        A.  No, I did not.
    15
    16   Q.   Why does it say in paragraph 10 of your first statement
    17        'prior to the demonstration I was able to learn the
    18        identity of two of the organisers.  Paul Gravett and Helen
    19        Steel.'?
    20        A.  That was the way it had been put to me by the Special
         Branch officers, but I did not know just how deeply
    22        involved you were in the organisation.
    23
    24   Q.   So, what was it that Special Branch said to you about us
    25        being the organisers?
    26        A.  You were the mainsprings, or two of the mainsprings.
    27
    28   Q.   So when you say in that statement prior to the
    29        demonstration you were able to learn the identity of two of
    30        the organisers, that is not to be taken as you knew that
    31        myself and Mr. Gravett had organised that demonstration?
    32        A.  No, not at all.
    33
    34   Q.   Why would it help private investigators to have photographs
    35        of people on a demonstration in order to try to determine
    36        who were the organisers of the campaign against McDonald's?
    37        A.  I just felt that the photographs of the people on the
    38        demonstration would be helpful to them.  This was.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you have to give your point more
         directly than this.  I am guessing at what it is.  I may be
    42        right or wrong.  But I think you have to put your
    43        challenge, or your point, in relation to this pretty
    44        directly.
    45
    46   MR. MORRIS:  How would photographs identify organisers?
    47        A.  It would not, it would show the people who were
    48        involved in the demonstration.  Nothing more.
    49
    50   Q.   Nothing more? 
    51        A.  No. 
    52 
    53   Q.   If somebody had started chucking bricks through the window
    54        that would be something that would be ----
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, Mr Morris, that is just not helpful.
    57        I can imagine all sorts of ways having photographs would
    58        help inquiry agents.  They might say, yes, the person who
    59        was at that demonstration was also at this meeting, and so
    60        the picture builds up.  You must put to the witness what