Day 250 - 15 May 96 - Page 26

     
     1        I do not know.
     2
     3   Q.   Right.  Anyway, you went on to say that Mr. Hartley had
     4        expressed concern if he pulled out all his operatives at
     5        once, and asked for it to be spread over a period of time.
     6        Why should he think that they would be noticed if they were
     7        all pulled out at once?
     8        A.  That is not a question I can answer, that is what he
     9        thinks.
    10
    11   Q.   But, I mean, he was asking you to carry on paying for
    12        something?
    13        A.  I did not mind that.
    14
    15   Q.   You did not mind?
    16        A.  No.  If he wanted to protect the security of his agents
    17        and that would take 3, 4 months, I think they had earned
    18        it.
    19
    20   Q.   By that stage, Mr. Nicholson, you say that you were only
         aware of Mr. Bishop -- Mr.?
    22        A.  Spears.
    23
    24   Q.   Russell and Mr. Pocklington?
    25        A.  No, not at that time I was not.  I did not know them
    26        until much later.  The only person I knew, the only inquiry
    27        agent I knew, at the time we decided we had enough to go
    28        for a writ, way past the time I pulled them all out, the
    29        only person I knew was Clare.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL: What you said was that the reports referred to
    32        'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D', and you said something yesterday,
    33        without turning up my note, that you thought there were a
    34        maximum of about four of them?
    35        A.  There was an 'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D' that I received from
    36        Kings, so there was at least four.  The others referred to
    37        themselves sometimes by a Christian name, 'John did this',
    38        and that was Bishops people.  I do not know how many, I
    39        have no idea how many people they used.
    40
    MS. STEEL:   'John did this'?
    42        A.  Well, I mean, I use that as an example.  I do not know
    43        if one of them was called John.
    44
    45   Q.   You were aware of four being employed by Kings?
    46        A.  I think we got the date, we may have got the way, I do
    47        not know, but I think we got the date.
    48
    49   Q.   You were aware of others employed by?
    50        A.  Bishops. 
    51 
    52   Q.   Apart from Mr. Clare, who you had met? 
    53        A.  Yes.
    54
    55   Q.   How many others?
    56        A.  I do not know.
    57
    58   Q.   Four or five?
    59        A.  I have no idea.
    60