Day 250 - 15 May 96 - Page 12

     
     1        On that day it was Bishops' turn.
     2
     3   Q.   Right.
     4        A.  They had contacted Mrs. Brinley-Codd... I think they
     5        had...  Yes, they must have done, and asked, suggested,
     6        they should bring Clare with them.
     7
     8   Q.   Right.
     9        A.  I remember Mrs. Brinley-Codd rang me up and said, "Do
    10        you mind" and I said, "Well, I am not happy".  I did not
    11        want to meet any of the operators but if they feel it would
    12        be useful, OK.
    13
    14   Q.   Do you know why they thought it would be useful?
    15        A.  No, I cannot think of that at all.
    16
    17   MR. RAMPTON:  That is far enough.  It sounds to me we are about
    18        to enter privileged territory.
    19
    20   MS. STEEL:  I just wonder why he met this particular one as
         opposed to the others?
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL: What?  However interesting it might be, you
    24        cannot ask generally of any communication between the
    25        solicitor and anyone else.  If you think there are special
    26        circumstances which mean you can raise it first so that it
    27        can be canvassed before we get into it.
    28
    29   MS. STEEL:   Did you speak to him while you were at this
    30        meeting?
    31        A.  Yes.
    32
    33   Q.   Did you ask him questions about what he had observed and
    34        what he had done whilst he was infiltrating the group?
    35        A.  Probably, I cannot remember.  But probably.
    36
    37   Q.   Do you know anything else about Mr. Clare as a result of
    38        that meeting?
    39        A.  I am sorry, in what way?
    40
    Q.   Was Mr. Clare considered someone who you were not really
    42        sure whether he was reliable, whether his information was
    43        reliable, and that was the reason you were meeting him?
    44        A.  No.
    45
    46   Q.   You cannot remember the specific reason why you met him
    47        rather than any of the other investigators?
    48        A.  No.
    49
    50   Q.   Do you remember when it was you met him? 
    51        A.  Not precisely.  I would have thought it was round about 
    52        mid-year, June. 
    53
    54   Q.   That would be June 1990?
    55        A.  1990, yes.
    56
    57   Q.   Presumably, you remember it being summer?
    58        A.  No, I do not.  I just...  It was towards the end of the
    59        Bishops' observations.
    60