Day 249 - 14 May 96 - Page 16

     
     1        few feet left of the green man in photograph 17?
     2        A.  That is correct.
     3
     4   Q.   Then finally ----
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They look to you to be the same two men do
     7        they?
     8        A.  I have not really looked at this from that point of
     9        view, but they look like.
    10
    11   Q.   On the face of it, the one with the hands in his front
    12        pockets, photograph 10?
    13        A.  Now seems to be in...  Yes, seems to be holding a
    14        banner in photograph 10.
    15
    16   Q.   Well...
    17
    18   MR. RAMPTON:  I do believe they are the same people if one looks
    19        closely at their faces as well as their clothes.
    20
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There we are.
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:  Anyway, not that they matter for these purposes.
    24        Sorry, Mr. Nicholson.  Finally, paragraph 22 on page 9?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   You had seen, as you tell us in paragraph 21, Mr. Gravett
    28        talking to somebody with some leaflets tucked under -- some
    29        of the leaflets complained of -- his arm?
    30        A.  Yes, held against his body.
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS: Sorry.  Which ones are we looking at now?
    33        A.  No.
    34
    35   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, that is my fault, I meant to go to
    36        paragraph 24; I think I have done 24, 22.  Then you say in
    37        24 ----
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can we deal with 23, if you do not mind,
    40        Mr. Rampton, just so I know, the hold-all which was against
         the wall, just where that was by reason of the photographs.
    42
    43   MR. RAMPTON:  I am grateful to your Lordship.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The answer may be obvious but I have not
    46        heard.
    47
    48   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship is quite right.  You identified
    49        where Helen Steel and the other female protester were
    50        standing? 
    51        A.  Yes. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Then at 23 you tell us this:  "Helen Steel and the other
    54        girl were standing close to a hold-all which was against
    55        the wall.  Next to the hold-all was a pile of leaflets
    56        -- of the leaflets complained of -- and there were some
    57        more sitting on top of the hold-all.  As they were talking
    58        Helen Steel took a couple of steps toward the hold-all,
    59        bent down and picked up some of the leaflets.  She handed
    60        some to the other girl who then moved off with them."  If