Day 249 - 14 May 96 - Page 14

     
     1        which I make about ten to five, or five o'clock.
     2        A.  Yes, it was probably a bit earlier than that.
     3
     4   Q.   Looking out of that same window, yes?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   Q.   From there, if we look at paragraph 18, you moved on to
     8        what you describe as the raised balcony?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   And you make reference to photograph 21.  That is on page
    12        11, it is the bottom photograph on page 11?
    13        A.  Yes, where that chap is standing.  He is one of our
    14        maintenance men, and where he is standing is where I would
    15        be standing.
    16
    17   Q.   Yes.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let me just look at that.
    20
    MS. STEEL:   That is the outside?
    22        A.  That is outside.  That picture does not give a proper
    23        presentation of what the place really looks like.  There is
    24        a big car park in between the building behind and where the
    25        fellow is standing.
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  What you call the raised balcony -- I do not know
    28        what you call it -- is separate from the building behind is
    29        it?
    30        A.  Yes, there is a car park in between.
    31
    32   Q.   Yes, I see.  So it is just a, sort of, open patio area and
    33        raised up?
    34        A.  Yes, yes.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What, behind where the maintenance man is
    37        standing?
    38        A.  Yes, that building behind it is not attached to that
    39        wall, there is a car park in between, sir.
    40
    MR. RAMPTON:  Thank you.  I had not appreciated that.  Then you
    42        watched the performing cow and the juggler for a bit, and
    43        went back into your office and came down again, if you look
    44        at paragraph 20, at about quarter past five?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   This time you stood on the forecourt?
    48        A.  Yes, I came down on to the forecourt.
    49
    50   Q.   Here you make reference to photograph 10, which is on page 
    51        5.  Again, it is the bottom photograph? 
    52        A.  Yes. 
    53
    54   Q.   You say, "I stood roughly where the two men are shown on
    55        the right of the photograph"?
    56        A.  Yes, roughly there.
    57
    58   Q.   There is a man with a sort of white jacket, and a younger
    59        man with a pony tail and a waistcoat; yes?
    60        A.  That is correct.