Day 239 - 23 Apr 96 - Page 23

     
     1        what I want to know.
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     3   MR. MORRIS:   I might have to lead a little bit just to -----
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You might have to, but I think that might be
     6        more productive.  Even if the answer to that is that has
     7        not been what anyone would call rainforest for some
     8        considerable period of time, you have got your knock-on
     9        effect argument or ripple effect argument.  All this is
    10        without prejudice to the ruling I made back in July of last
    11        year because, as I have said, I am not inclined to restrict
    12        you while you have Mr. Monbiot in the witness box.
    13
    14        So, what I suggest is I will break off until noon and I do
    15        urge you to really carry on from that point because I am
    16        the judge and what I am interested in is likely to help the
    17        case.
    18
    19                         (Short adjournment)
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    MR. MORRIS:   If we just get a copy of the map that was served a
    22        couple of days ago from James Cotter which shows his extent
    23        of the rainforest, tropical rainforest.
    24
    25   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I wonder whether I might intervene here?
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    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a minute, Mr. Morris.
    28
    29   MR. RAMPTON:  I have, last night, marked on that map what, as
    30        accurate as I could by reference to the vegetation map and
    31        the scale on there, the locations of Sinop, Nova Xavantina
    32        and Pontas e Lacerda.  Whether your Lordship would think it
    33        appropriate for everybody to have a copy of that I do not
    34        know.  It is as accurate as I can be.  It may be proved
    35        later on that it is not as accurate as it should be, but it
    36        is a very small scale map this.  I could do it in
    37        cross-examination.  It may save time now.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think so.  It might be very helpful at this
    40        stage.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  If I could just have a look at it.  (Same handed).
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Let Mr. Morris see it.  If he wants to use
    45        it, fair enough; otherwise put it to whatever use you wish
    46        in cross-examination.
    47
    48   THE WITNESS:  I wonder if it would help the court if I said
    49        something about the vegetation around Sinop?
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause for a moment. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  It might be helpful, but I want -- I mean, yes, OK;
    54        if we can give one to the witness.  We might as well.  I
    55        not sure if Mr. Rampton's is accurate but, anyway, we have
    56        got a map.
    57
    58        Now, this is the map done by Doctor Cotter of Austin,
    59        Texas, and deforestation of Latin America's near tropical,
    60        tropical rainforests and the black is that which was