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1 it, Mr. Coton?
2 A. Yes, I have got it.
3
4 Q. We see old data, true clock in time 10.59, clock out time
5 13.56. Then when you look at the new data you find that
6 his clock in time has been pushed -- I do not know whether
7 it is back forward or forwards -- to 12.59, do you see
8 that?
9 A. Yes, I have that.
10
11 Q. So he has been deprived of two hours at that end this time,
12 has he not?
13 A. He has, yes.
14
15 Q. He has lost three hours in all?
16 A. It would be three hours.
17
18 Q. Rather than do this exercise with a great number of these
19 cases, perhaps you would accept from me that 27 people
20 appear to have worked on Wednesday, 28th November 1990;
21 that of those 27 people, 19 were deprived, each of them, of
22 between one and four hours that they worked -- the man who
23 lost four hours is Mr. David Lepley, I can tell you that --
24 and that overall something like 36 and a half hours were
25 knocked off the clock on that day. Does that not strike
26 you as a quite appalling state of affairs?
27 A. Yes ----
28
29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: First of all, you have to be asked whether
30 you were prepared to accept that that might have happened
31 because ---
32 A. I have actually said -----
33
34 Q. -- you cannot be expected to check them all now; they can
35 be checked -----
36 A. I have said in previous statements it was a practice
37 that was carried out, so I will accept it.
38
39 Q. That would not seem untoward to you?
40 A. The amount of hours seems excessive, but I will accept
41 it otherwise we will be here all day going through it.
42
43 MR. RAMPTON: I mean, we can do, we have got all day,
44 Mr. Coton. I do not want you to -----
45 A. I have never disputed that it actually happened, so
46 I do not feel a problem with accepting it.
47
48 Q. Shall I take another example just so that you can see how
49 it is done -- I am sure you know -- a simple example? If
50 you look at the second clock card sheet, you will see on it
51 in the middle of the page a person, a chap, called David
52 Ashley, do you see him?
53 A. Yes, I have got him.
54
55 Q. His badge number is 054/1?
56 A. It is, yes.
57
58 Q. He is not far from the top of the list, the Spurgeon list;
59 he is seven down from the top.
60 A. Yes.
