Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 04

     
     1        not saying you could not join a union; what he was saying
     2        was that if you signed a membership card, thereby joining a
     3        union, you could avoid any obligation, if you were under
     4        18, at your own will, because you are only bound, if you
     5        are under 18, by contracts which are for your own benefits,
     6        such as contracts for the purchase of necessities or for
     7        contracts of service and employment.
     8
     9        Whether that is legally so or not is one matter.  But what
    10        Mr. Rampton, as I understand it, is seeing if he can get
    11        further information as to what the actual arguments were.
    12        So, by all means, argue later about it.  But it is a
    13        perfectly valid question which he is entitled to ask.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    16
    17   MS. STEEL:  I just want to ask something, which is that, not so
    18        much recently but certainly earlier on in the case, when we
    19        put part of a document to the Plaintiffs' witnesses,
    20        Mr. Rampton objected and said that they should read the
         whole of it; and that Mr. Rampton has only asked
    22        Miss Inglis to read number 4, and I think that other parts
    23        of that, 2A and number 3, are relevant matters.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You put them to her in due course, because
    26        they seem to me to be on a possibly slightly different
    27        point.  But make a note for re-examination and ask about
    28        that, if you think it is important enough.
    29
    30   MS. STEEL:   Is it proper for Mr. Rampton to select one part and
    31        say, "What you have said is not true", without inviting the
    32        witness to read the whole of it?
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think it is in this case, because I do not
    35        see anything in the matters you have referred to which make
    36        what Mr. Rampton has put misleading.
    37
    38   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, in any event, it is perfectly clear that
    39        the subheading "A Legal Disability" is explanatory of 2A.
    40        That is where the case, the nature of the case, is stated
         by Mr. Ballantyne; and it is a completely different case,
    42        my Lord, in our submission, from the case which Mr. Morris
    43        misconceivably drew Miss Inglis yesterday into confirming,
    44        namely, that trade unions could not have 18-year-olds -----
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:  No.  It says "all such" -----
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I want an end to this argument now on both
    49        sides.  Just carry on with your cross-examination.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just refer the court to point 6 under "Legal 
    52        Disability", which makes it absolutely clear? 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Look, please stop.  Do it when you come to
    55        re-examination.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  (To the witness):  One other thing you said
    58        yesterday, Miss Inglis, was this, that you had approached
    59        Travis Greenley some time early in September and mentioned
    60        the business of the union to him; yes?