Day 167 - 02 Oct 95 - Page 10

     
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     2   MS. STEEL:   The witness accepted it.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  This witness says he does not know about
     5        them.
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     7   MS. STEEL:   He accepts that they went into schools.  That is
     8        the important part.
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    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That may be rather different to setting up
    11        pretend McDonald's.
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    13   MS. STEEL:  I think it is actually in their Annual Review, or
    14        something like that.  I cannot remember where I read it but
    15        I read it somewhere.
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    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I might suggest is do not ask a question
    18        assuming that something is so, when it is the very first I
    19        have heard it of it and, as it turned out, the witness does
    20        not know that it be so.
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    22   MS. STEEL:   I thought I was entitled to put anything to the
    23        witness and that if Mr. Tindale does not want to accept it,
    24        that is up to him
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    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Quite apart from Mr. Rampton's point, my
    27        point was, you see, you say your question, according to
    28        Caseview:  "Being in charge of the well-being, or being a
    29        Chief Training Officer, would that also include, I think
    30        there are some schemes in schools where you get children to
    31        set up pretend McDonald's and get them to run", whatever --
    32        I cannot then follow Caseview there.
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    34        We then have the beginning of an answer which was difficult
    35        to relate to your question and the reason for that very
    36        shortly turned out to be that Mr. Tindale did not know
    37        anything about there being a pretend McDonald's.  Quite
    38        apart from Mr. Rampton's point, if you had said, have
    39        McDonald's set up ventures where they have pretend
    40        McDonald's in schools, I assume Mr. Tindale would have
         said:  "Not to my knowledge"; whereas if you start as if it
    42        is accepted that they do -----
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    44   MS. STEEL:   Actually, he did say he did not at the time which
    45        made it kind of sound as though they do now.  I read it --
    46        if it is where I think it was, it was in the Annual Review
    47        either last year  -----
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    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  May be.  All I am suggesting is if you want
    50        to go on to something like that, you first ascertain if the 
    51        witness knows anything about it. 
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    53   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  What did your links with
    54        schools  ----
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    56   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, my Lord, I wish to say, if
    57        I may  -----
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    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Take your objection forward.
    60        (To the witness):  Sit down, please, Ms. Steel.